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January 31, 2010, 08:17 PM | #1 | ||
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Georgia CHP Military exemtion
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I am not a resident in Ga anymore, so i would not be eligable for a resident CHP. Quote:
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If so, do you carry any paperwork refrenceing this law? Any experiences with LEOs? Would love to hear opinions from GA LEOs. |
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Officially, you are correct.
Unofficially, I'd keep a copy of the law on hand should you get stopped. Though I've never heard of anyone being wrongfully arrested, it never hurts to cover your bases. Quote:
It could be an easy sell, and it could lead to a lessening of civilian restrictions in the future.
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February 1, 2010, 08:51 AM | #3 |
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and not to put our Military members down.... 'trusting in those that are in the Military' goes exactly opposite of what the founding fathers were doing by putting in the 2nd amendment. All these state exemptions of letting those in the military carry while regular citizens can't, at least with out government approval, just enforces these 'fears'.
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February 1, 2010, 07:31 PM | #5 | |
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Well I do.
My out of state permit is no good here anyway. Before I started carrying I contacted the local police office. They really did want to say yes, but they did. They suggested I get one anyway but I will only be here for about six months before we deploy anyway so I did not see the point. Quote:
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February 2, 2010, 06:44 AM | #6 |
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I recently had a heated debate with my church board over something akin to this:
they did not want members carrying guns and one person suggested just making a statement banning all guns... I pointed out this would mean Law Enforcement too and they thought I was crazy and I pointed out they were being hypocrites ..... didn't really in the end help much.
Some folks are stuck and can't think out of the box they have put themselves in. In the end I think all states should have an exemption for visiting military to be able to carry concealed or open as the state deems, with out having to get a permit or license... because they are transient this is more practical... and why should their rights be denied anyway? |
February 2, 2010, 11:21 AM | #7 |
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I disagree that such an exemption would help civilian carry progress in the end.
I think it would lend more weight to the "only trained professionals" should be allowed to carry firearms argument. I don't have a clear logical argument as to why, but my gut instinct is that is where it would end up being taken. I will also point out that people in the military are often under great deals of stress, feel alienated from the general population, etc., etc. Some members of the military, in my experience, are not all that well trained in the use of firearms, just like some police officers. I really see absolutely no reason members of the military should get a special exemption. I almost feel like this is the same as trap shooters selling me down the river when they say no on needs and AR. |
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Do I think military members should just have a blanket exception to carry without a permit? NO. But I don't think carrying should require a permit by anyone. Quote:
In my humble and personal opinion, paragraph 2 has absolutely no bearing on gun ownership or carrying, regardless of who we make that statement about. When we mention statements like paragraph 2 in association with a gun ownership/carry discussion, I think the anti-s are going to snatch onto that and use it against us. I absolutely agree with paragraph number 3, except that, like I said, if a military member has a permit, or is from Vermont or Alaska, from their home state, it should be valid in the state they are stationed in as well, regardless of reciprocity. |
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And please tell us how trap shooters sold us down the river. Maybe I'm getting old, but I can remember 1993. Nobody had to "sell out." The support from the common populace was enough.
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Also, the vast majority of Air Force and Navy military only receive familiarity training in boot camp - "point the gun that way because that is the direction the bullets come out". |
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What I was mostly talking about was the background check, fingerprinting etc, military standards are generally higher.
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I felt like I was being sold down the river by "members of the military" when several here agreed with OP that they should be given special rights to self defense not afforded civilians. I definitely know trap shooters who could care less about 2A as long as they keep their single shot break shotguns. The training for many is not that great and during peace times tends to fall to absolute crap. I lie very close to a large military base where most of the personnel never hae and never will see any sort of combat. They receive very little weapons training. I know of one officer who was issued an M9 shortly after 9/11 and ordered to keep it on his persons for safety. He carried it around w/o ammo b/c he was not comfortable with it. A smart move on his part considering he never left the base most days and it was relatively secure. I don't think there is a great argument to be made that members of the military are more stable or predictable than people in the general populace. Why shouldn't a businessman be allowed to carry in other states when he is there for short periods? I really see no reason a veteran should receive special treatment in this area. Police are a little different b/c they build up a good number of people who may not like them that they may run into at any moment anywhere in the country. Police officers should not be forced to move out of state when they retire b/c there is a crackhead they have arrested 30 times. There are obviously people in the military who might run into a familiar face inside the US that poses a problem for them, but not nearly the percentage as police officers. |
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But I know what you mean. I arrived in Iraq after combat training. We got issued ammo for our M-9's that we brought with us from training. Chief Petty Officer, excuse me - he was an E-7 - not a "Chief", could not figure out how to load the magazine, after being through combat training - TWICE! He was even trying to put the rounds in backwards! I loaded his magazines and told him to put these in your pocket, and please don't ever put one of them in the gun.... He was in Iraq two months and got sent home after getting fired from two different jobs. |
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Also just because someone has a felony conviction does not mean that can never get a CHL or buy a weapon either. There are processes that vary by state where you can get your rights restored. Things that you can not get rights restored for are pretty much the same things that will keep you out of the military. Quote:
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I can see where some people have a problem with this but I doubt the actual intention of the law is to imply that service members are more qualified to be CCW holders. Part of it could be that to actually BE in the military you have to have a fairly clean record and have to have waivers for EVERYTHING on your record including traffic violations. The state could just be assuming that most folks in the military already have a clean enough record to be issued a CWP and that making them jump through the hoops would just be a redundancy.
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I meant to say active duty not veteran, although it makes little difference in the posts that followed. I think giving active duty or veterans any civil rights over otherwise qualified civilians are denied is a slippery slope I don't want any part of. Maybe their votes should count double. There are lots of things that sound good when you say them that aren't good when you think about it for a little bit longer. The process for expunging your record is, in most states, simple, easy, and EXPENSIVE. Lots of lawyer time. Quote:
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As far as the officer carrying without ammo. I obtained this knowledge through direct personal contact and it was not known to anyone. He was of a rank almost no one was going to say a thing about it if they did find out. My impression was it was not something he wanted me to know about. It was not Army or USMC. In truth it was a stupid rule. They should have assigned him a driver if they were worried. Last edited by johnwilliamson062; February 2, 2010 at 09:29 PM. |
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How would that work for a career military person, after he/she has been in for 15 or more years, parents have died or retired to a vacation cottage in Sun City, AZ, or a condo in Belize, and the family manse has long since passed out of the family? What would such a person use as his/her "home" state and "home" address ... other than the location of the last PCS in CONUS? |
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