It is the 1800's, what are you carrying?

cloud8a · June 16, 2009, 02:05 PM

It is the 1800's, what are you carrying? Assuming you had the money to buy them. What would you carry out on the range? What would you carry in town? Would you be a gambler, a cowboy, a buisinesman, and while in a town that prohibitied the carrying of firearms like Dodge City, would you carry anyway.

Carried on me out on the range
I would go with Colt SA Army .45 71/2, Colt DA Thunderer .41 5 inch, Smith&Wesson DA .44 Russian 4 inch.

Long guns.
Winchester Model 1873
Double Barrel 10 guage not sawed off

If I was a gambler or cowboy or made my money in or did my business in the the saloons I would turn everything in Accept my Russian .44. I would keep that tucked away in a shoulder holster.

Andy Griffith · June 16, 2009, 02:23 PM

Well...first it depends on the decade and even year.

If it was 1882...

I'd have the finest money could buy.

A nice pair of S&W Schofields- Army surplus, of course.

Martini action sporting rifle ordered from England...in .50-90 or so...
Spencer repeating shotgun with an extended magazine in 10 bore.
And a nice 1873 Carbine special ordered in .45 Schofield to match my revolver.
(Then, to find some solid head brass.

)

Two S&W .32's- one in each pocket.

Smokin_Gun · June 16, 2009, 02:25 PM

I'd be carryin' these durin' the mid 1860's... An 1863 Starr.44&1863 Sharps .54 Papercutter...an 1865 Rogers&Spencer.44&10ga muzzleloadin' SxS...along with a brase of Remington revolver 1861 Old Army- 1858 NMA

Wobble · June 16, 2009, 02:37 PM

How about a nice engraved, pearl-handled .32 Remington-Rider magazine pistol for the boot.

kwhi43 · June 16, 2009, 02:39 PM

In 1882, I would be carring this. 45 Colt of course.

**Mike Irwin** · June 16, 2009, 02:45 PM

1882?

S&W No. 3 in either .44 Russian or .45 Smith & Wesson.

cloud8a · June 16, 2009, 02:50 PM

It doesn't have to be 1882. You can pick your period between 1800-1899.

steve19_65 · June 16, 2009, 05:42 PM

I'd have a brace of Walkers on my hips, an 1861 Navy tucked in my belt an 1860 Army in my shoulder holster and an 1874 Sharps .45-70 in my saddle holster! Just call me Josey!

Hawg · June 16, 2009, 06:41 PM

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I'd have a brace of Walkers on my hips, an 1861 Navy tucked in my belt an 1860 Army in my shoulder holster and an 1874 Sharps .45-70 in my saddle holster! Just call me Josey!

Better get ya a strong horsey to tote all that gear cuz you ain't gonna walk far carrying all that heavy hardware.

Deadguy · June 16, 2009, 08:37 PM

I'd be carrying a Dragoon, an 1860 Army, and an 1860 Henry rifle, any time after 1860-onwards.

Raider2000 · June 16, 2009, 09:34 PM

Mine would be around the late 1860's.
Cowboy through with the war but keeping a few trinkets from my service.

Remington New Model Army .44 Caliber maybe even have it converted to them new fangled .46 caliber catridges too.

Henry 1860 or one of them new 1866 Winchesters in .44 caliber for keepin them Yotes at bay from the cattle.

A Sharps paper patched .54 caliber would come in handy when it's bigger than what my Henry can handle.

A nice SXS 12 bore would be nice when the birds are a plenty.

Fingers McGee · June 16, 2009, 11:22 PM

1880??? I've still got the pair of '61 Navies and Henry rifle that I had when the late unpleasantness ended. Returned home & restarted my blacksmithing business. Got elected Justice of the Peace so I keep the pistols & rifle handy just in case. For huntin and bringing home the meat, a 10 ga double and a new Sharp's .50 do the trick.

Hawg · June 17, 2009, 04:00 AM

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And a nice 1873 Carbine special ordered in .45 Schofield to match my revolver.

It's your fantasy but that's a never was. Cartridge rim was too small for the extractor to grip.

In the 1840's I'd have a Hawken rifle, a sharp knife and maybe a good steel hawk.

darkgael · June 17, 2009, 04:56 AM

The Century has just turned. It is 1801. I'm walking below the Allegheny escarpment in the Wyoming Valley in Pennsylvania.
I'm carrying a 20 gauge PA style flintlock fowler; my possibles are both shot and round balls. I carry on my left hip a loaded .50 cal flintlock trapper pistol. On my right hip hangs a knife.
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B.L.E. · June 17, 2009, 05:39 AM

The 19th century saw an explosion of firearms technology. We entered that century with flintlock muzzleloaders and exited it with smokeless powder, metallic cartriages, and repeaters.
By contrast, gun developement in the 20th century pretty much flatlined. Here we are in 2009 and we still shoot metallic cartriages loaded with smokeless powder ignited by a percussion primer. Some of the most popular gun designs of today were around when cars were started with cranks and airplanes had double wings.

**Mike Irwin** · June 17, 2009, 09:33 AM

"It doesn't have to be 1882. You can pick your period between 1800-1899."

OK. I pick.... 1883.

grymster2007 · June 17, 2009, 10:20 AM

One of these:

Mr. Technology

Andy Griffith · June 17, 2009, 10:52 AM

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It's your fantasy but that's a never was. Cartridge rim was too small for the extractor to grip.

That's why I said the Schofield round rather than .45 Colt...it has a larger diameter rim, and I doubt it would have had any problems.

However, most makers of that brass and ammunition today have made the rim diameter to the same size of that of the .45 Colt simply to get around having to buy more equipment to make the rim larger- it was just cheaper to shorten a .45 Colt case and put the "45 Schofield" headstamp on it.

Unfortunately, I haven't spent the money to buy an actual box of .45 Schofield rounds of the time...which may not have been as consistent as say, a box of .44 WCF...I don't know.

Starline definitely has the large rim...and I *think* Black Hills has the Colt size rim.
(I haven't shot any Black Hills, so I can't say that as fact...but I do use Starline in this caliber.)

Eh, it was a good thought though, and a provoking mind exercise.

TheKlawMan · June 23, 2009, 06:07 AM

Other than that, you tell me what I have. Pics are up at fliker at http://www.flickr.com/photos/39098267@N02/3595835696/

Barrel marked WMH is 38" long. 7/8" straight, not swamped, .36 calibre, dual triggers, tiger stripe maple half stock, brass furniture, beaver cheek piece.

I am thinking the small calibre is more like a colonial period weapon and the long barrel doesn't fit with saddle rifle. The initials WMH could stand for Sam Hawken's brother, a Hagerstown gunsmith, William Hawkins, but that is hard to prove.

Comments are welcome.

breed · June 23, 2009, 08:35 AM

i would pay colt a call and ask to have a 5 shot 45 70 made for a strong side carry. then a Winchester repeater in 45 70...hay as long as we are dreaming...

and two 45 colts in shoulder holsters. it don't hurt to be 6"4 and 260lbs. ether. and cant forget a 1887 repeating shot gun. if all else fail's i'll just take a 51 navy in 36. it worked for wild bill.

**4V50 Gary** · June 23, 2009, 09:00 AM

Schofield Revolvers.

Browning 1885 made by the Browning Bros. themselves.

Winchester 1885 (for repeater rifle).

I can't wait for 1897. I can have a Broomhandle Mauser with a shoulder stock holster.

Of course, if I was smart, I'd get my hands on a Confederate Whitworth and tell the family to hold onto it for at least a century.

ZeSpectre · June 23, 2009, 09:31 AM

It's the late 1860's...and if we followed my family history I'd probably either be in the opening stages of the Franco-Prussian War carrying a "needle gun", or I'd be in England drinking a toast to the queen and carrying some sort of a gentleman's pocket pistol (maybe a Tranter Patent Revolver).

Hawg · June 23, 2009, 10:01 AM

TheKlawMan, what you have is definitely not a Hawken but appears to be a fairly late Tryon(1870's)trade rifle. Going back and looking at the pics again it is a cut down full stock.
Here's a page out of Tryon's 1875 catalog. The top one is probably what yours started out as with the trigger guard from the bottom one and the patch box from the middle one. The guard and patch box are most likely original to the rifle.

the rifleer · June 23, 2009, 11:53 AM

my ruger old army and a CVA Electra ARC with electronic ignition with match grade bullets using 100 grains of compressed pyrodex pellets.

but if that didn't work out for some reason I'd probably carry my Kentucky rifle.

arcticap · June 23, 2009, 01:28 PM

TheKlawMan,
Because the caliber narrows down from .40 to .35 one half inch in from the muzzle, rather than explaining it as an eroded bore, I think that it suggests that the muzzle had been "coned" to make starting, ramming and reloading a projectile much easier than if the bore was uniform.
Coning is considered by many to not interfere with barrel accuracy.

June 16, 2009, 02:05 PM	#1
cloud8a Senior Member Join Date: April 27, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 399	It is the 1800's, what are you carrying? It is the 1800's, what are you carrying? Assuming you had the money to buy them. What would you carry out on the range? What would you carry in town? Would you be a gambler, a cowboy, a buisinesman, and while in a town that prohibitied the carrying of firearms like Dodge City, would you carry anyway. Carried on me out on the range I would go with Colt SA Army .45 71/2, Colt DA Thunderer .41 5 inch, Smith&Wesson DA .44 Russian 4 inch. Long guns. Winchester Model 1873 Double Barrel 10 guage not sawed off If I was a gambler or cowboy or made my money in or did my business in the the saloons I would turn everything in Accept my Russian .44. I would keep that tucked away in a shoulder holster.

June 16, 2009, 02:23 PM	#2
Andy Griffith Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2009 Location: Macon Co. NC Posts: 591	Say... late 1882. Well...first it depends on the decade and even year. If it was 1882... I'd have the finest money could buy. A nice pair of S&W Schofields- Army surplus, of course. Martini action sporting rifle ordered from England...in .50-90 or so... Spencer repeating shotgun with an extended magazine in 10 bore. And a nice 1873 Carbine special ordered in .45 Schofield to match my revolver. (Then, to find some solid head brass.) Two S&W .32's- one in each pocket. __________________ Barney Fife: "Nip it, nip it, nip it!" Andy Griffith:"Oh now Barn'...."

June 16, 2009, 02:25 PM	#3
Smokin_Gun Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2005 Location: Mojave Desert, CA Posts: 1,195	I'd be carryin' these durin' the mid 1860's... An 1863 Starr.44&1863 Sharps .54 Papercutter...an 1865 Rogers&Spencer.44&10ga muzzleloadin' SxS...along with a brase of Remington revolver 1861 Old Army- 1858 NMA __________________ "I Smoke Black Powder" "Favor an 1858 Remington" SGT. Smokin' Gun, Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. SASS# 19634, ... Admin:http://blackpowdersmoke.com/oldcoots/index.php

June 16, 2009, 02:45 PM	#6
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,388	1882? S&W No. 3 in either .44 Russian or .45 Smith & Wesson. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 16, 2009, 05:42 PM	#8
steve19_65 Junior Member Join Date: March 24, 2009 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 5	I'd have a brace of Walkers on my hips, an 1861 Navy tucked in my belt an 1860 Army in my shoulder holster and an 1874 Sharps .45-70 in my saddle holster! Just call me Josey! __________________ " You gonna pull them pistols or whistle Dixie?"-The Outlaw Josey Wales

June 16, 2009, 02:39 PM	#5
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	In 1882, I would be carring this. 45 Colt of course.

June 16, 2009, 02:50 PM	#7
cloud8a Senior Member Join Date: April 27, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 399	It doesn't have to be 1882. You can pick your period between 1800-1899.

June 16, 2009, 08:37 PM	#10
Deadguy Member Join Date: April 17, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 93	I'd be carrying a Dragoon, an 1860 Army, and an 1860 Henry rifle, any time after 1860-onwards.

June 16, 2009, 09:34 PM	#11
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	Mine would be around the late 1860's. Cowboy through with the war but keeping a few trinkets from my service. Remington New Model Army .44 Caliber maybe even have it converted to them new fangled .46 caliber catridges too. Henry 1860 or one of them new 1866 Winchesters in .44 caliber for keepin them Yotes at bay from the cattle. A Sharps paper patched .54 caliber would come in handy when it's bigger than what my Henry can handle. A nice SXS 12 bore would be nice when the birds are a plenty.

June 16, 2009, 11:22 PM	#12
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2008 Location: High & Dry in Missouri Ozarks Posts: 2,113	1880??? I've still got the pair of '61 Navies and Henry rifle that I had when the late unpleasantness ended. Returned home & restarted my blacksmithing business. Got elected Justice of the Peace so I keep the pistols & rifle handy just in case. For huntin and bringing home the meat, a 10 ga double and a new Sharp's .50 do the trick. __________________ Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce

June 17, 2009, 04:56 AM	#14
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	early on The Century has just turned. It is 1801. I'm walking below the Allegheny escarpment in the Wyoming Valley in Pennsylvania. I'm carrying a 20 gauge PA style flintlock fowler; my possibles are both shot and round balls. I carry on my left hip a loaded .50 cal flintlock trapper pistol. On my right hip hangs a knife. [IMG][/IMG] Pete __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member Last edited by darkgael; June 17, 2009 at 09:47 AM.

June 17, 2009, 05:39 AM	#15
B.L.E. Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2008 Location: Somewhere on the Southern shore of Lake Travis, TX Posts: 2,603	The 19th century saw an explosion of firearms technology. We entered that century with flintlock muzzleloaders and exited it with smokeless powder, metallic cartriages, and repeaters. By contrast, gun developement in the 20th century pretty much flatlined. Here we are in 2009 and we still shoot metallic cartriages loaded with smokeless powder ignited by a percussion primer. Some of the most popular gun designs of today were around when cars were started with cranks and airplanes had double wings.

June 17, 2009, 09:33 AM	#16
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,388	"It doesn't have to be 1882. You can pick your period between 1800-1899." OK. I pick.... 1883. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 23, 2009, 06:07 AM	#19
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,149	.36 Calibre Muzzle Loader Other than that, you tell me what I have. Pics are up at fliker at http://www.flickr.com/photos/39098267@N02/3595835696/ Barrel marked WMH is 38" long. 7/8" straight, not swamped, .36 calibre, dual triggers, tiger stripe maple half stock, brass furniture, beaver cheek piece. I am thinking the small calibre is more like a colonial period weapon and the long barrel doesn't fit with saddle rifle. The initials WMH could stand for Sam Hawken's brother, a Hagerstown gunsmith, William Hawkins, but that is hard to prove. Comments are welcome.

June 23, 2009, 08:35 AM	#20
breed Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2009 Posts: 230	i would pay colt a call and ask to have a 5 shot 45 70 made for a strong side carry. then a Winchester repeater in 45 70...hay as long as we are dreaming... and two 45 colts in shoulder holsters. it don't hurt to be 6"4 and 260lbs. ether. and cant forget a 1887 repeating shot gun. if all else fail's i'll just take a 51 navy in 36. it worked for wild bill.

June 23, 2009, 09:00 AM	#21
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,833	Schofield Revolvers. Browning 1885 made by the Browning Bros. themselves. Winchester 1885 (for repeater rifle). I can't wait for 1897. I can have a Broomhandle Mauser with a shoulder stock holster. Of course, if I was smart, I'd get my hands on a Confederate Whitworth and tell the family to hold onto it for at least a century. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

June 23, 2009, 09:31 AM	#22
ZeSpectre Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Shenandoah Valley Posts: 3,276	It's the late 1860's...and if we followed my family history I'd probably either be in the opening stages of the Franco-Prussian War carrying a "needle gun", or I'd be in England drinking a toast to the queen and carrying some sort of a gentleman's pocket pistol (maybe a Tranter Patent Revolver). __________________ "The dogs may bark but the caravan moves on"

June 23, 2009, 10:01 AM	#23
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	TheKlawMan, what you have is definitely not a Hawken but appears to be a fairly late Tryon(1870's)trade rifle. Going back and looking at the pics again it is a cut down full stock. Here's a page out of Tryon's 1875 catalog. The top one is probably what yours started out as with the trigger guard from the bottom one and the patch box from the middle one. The guard and patch box are most likely original to the rifle. Last edited by Hawg; June 23, 2009 at 10:18 AM.

June 23, 2009, 11:53 AM	#24
the rifleer Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2008 Location: Sunny California Posts: 1,281	my ruger old army and a CVA Electra ARC with electronic ignition with match grade bullets using 100 grains of compressed pyrodex pellets. but if that didn't work out for some reason I'd probably carry my Kentucky rifle.

June 23, 2009, 01:28 PM	#25
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	TheKlawMan, Because the caliber narrows down from .40 to .35 one half inch in from the muzzle, rather than explaining it as an eroded bore, I think that it suggests that the muzzle had been "coned" to make starting, ramming and reloading a projectile much easier than if the bore was uniform. Coning is considered by many to not interfere with barrel accuracy.