Cardboard wads?

kaylorinhi · July 9, 2011, 11:01 AM

Hey guys, My dad asked me an interesting question. Is there any cardboard wadded 20 shot shells? I figured I would set a trot line before heading out to hunt the INTERNET! Much appreciated!

Mike

My Pops dog, a 15 yo chow mix, likes to eat the plastic wads everytime my dad drops a squirrel in his citrus orchard. He is just looking for more stomach/intestine friendly factory loaded shells for a dog that knows no commands and is deaf anyway!

Rifleman1776 · July 9, 2011, 11:51 AM

What does fishing with a trot line have to do with anything firearms related?
As for the 15 year old dog, why worry about it? The dog is going to die soon anywhat. Let him chew plastic or don't take him hunting.

oneounceload · July 9, 2011, 12:03 PM

There are some choices but they will be more expensive

http://www.classicshooting.com/20-ga...ammunition.htm

While those are extreme, they are an example of what you want to find

lamarw · July 9, 2011, 12:31 PM

Another approach is to obtain the all brass Magtech shell casings and load your own. I am currently exploring this new personal arena. I loaded a few shells last night. I am not going to reload more until after I have test fired my test rounds. Midway USA has the brass, and the wadds. I was advised to use the 16 gauge wads for the 20 gauge brass, and they fit perfectly. The brass shells use large pistol primers. You can see a post of mine of the Reloading section of the Forum. It is an adventure; although other do it all the time especially black powder guys.

zippy13 · July 9, 2011, 01:12 PM

Are you asking if there are any factory loads with paper wadding (instead of the typical plastic), or are you wanting reloading supplies?

kaylorinhi · July 9, 2011, 05:01 PM

I am looking for Factory loaded ammo. He does not reload.

@Rifleman1776, it was a figure speech, becuase "people" on here keep telling other people to go search the internet, so I stated that I was searching the internet and asking at the same time!

oneounceload · July 9, 2011, 06:05 PM

As I pointed out, what you are looking for are shells with fibers wads. Whether they have cardboard top with a roll crimp or the standard star crimp, it seems you are wanting to avoid plastic wads

zippy13 · July 9, 2011, 06:17 PM

I've not seen a factory shotshell without a plastic wad for many years. Their ease of reloading and superior performance have eclipsed the card and fiber wads into virtual obscurity.

There may be some paper wadded shells made for environmental (chewing dog friendly) reasons. I'm not aware of any, but I haven't been looking for them. The last time I loaded with card and fiber wads was in the early 70s.

Ballistic Products, Inc. is the major supplier of extraordinary reloading components (and other items). They may be able to direct you to a supplier of paper wadded shotshells.

oneounceload · July 9, 2011, 06:43 PM

Zippy, where I hear about them is from my English friends who can't use plastic wads for enviro reasons. A lot of hunters here, and certain clubs, etc, seem to be adopting the older retro standard to cut down on the "trash" left behind after shooting.

One nice thing about them, is they are gentle on older guns, so if someone is shooting grandpa's Parker from the 20's, the pressures are typically lower

kaylorinhi · July 10, 2011, 01:48 PM

I have passed the H&H site along and will continue to pass others, I also recommended getting into Rollin his own as he is retired and needs a hobby

and I can get cheap ammo from him!

Thank you guys for the insight!

Maxem0815 · July 10, 2011, 01:55 PM

If some one is interested in 20 or 12 gage carboard wads I have a bunch and would gladly give some away just pay shipping like the USPS it fits it ships box.
Mace

Jack O'Conner · July 17, 2011, 05:22 PM

When I was a kid in the 1960's we hunted with thick paper hulls. Wad consisted of cardboard and paper flakes. At each shot, little pieces of paper floated around. We bought our shells at local hardware store. Shells were named Tru Test.

Plastic hulls and modern wads became popular in 1970's.

Jack

pabuckslayer08 · July 17, 2011, 06:57 PM

I have no answer to the OP but to Rifleman at the top you are a serious jack wagon for saying that. Why would you tell a guy his dogs going to die

Hawg · July 17, 2011, 07:14 PM

That dog may have five or six good years left. Lamar if you roll crimp those Magtechs they wont last long. If you're using them in a repeater you will have to have a slight taper on the mouth to get them to feed. If you're using them in a break action you don't have to taper them at all just run a bead of Elmers glue around the edge of the overshot card.

olddrum1 · July 18, 2011, 02:13 AM

A couple of years ago Winchester was using a fiber or cardboard wad in their cheap Expert shells I believe. Not sure if they still do. Might cut one open. Has your Dad considered that the Chows poop might pattern better with the plastic wads?

pabuckslayer08 · July 18, 2011, 05:35 AM

Winchester is plastic now for all their shells

Hardcase · July 18, 2011, 01:06 PM

Classic Shooting sells Holland and Holland shells. They use fiber wads. You probably won't like the prices, though.

http://www.classicshooting.com

oneounceload · July 18, 2011, 01:21 PM

BPI has Game Bore 20 gauge with fiber wads for about $16/box

http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Gam...fo/G2025GHF28/

TheKlawMan · July 18, 2011, 02:09 PM

If it is a 20 or 28 you might look at Polywad's wadless cartridges, but again they are @$15 a box. R U sure your dad wouldn't like to reload? Still, how much does he shoot? If he only uses a few boxes a year, get the high price spread.

zippy13 · July 18, 2011, 02:15 PM

Hardcase,
I checked out your link… is a wearing a tie required when shooting H & H loads?

B.L.E. · July 18, 2011, 07:35 PM

Quote:

is a wearing a tie required when shooting H & H loads?

Absolutely! And don't forget to wear an English driver's cap and a jacket or vest made of tweed or houndstooth.

We are gentlemen afterall.

oneounceload · July 18, 2011, 07:53 PM

And you had better be wearing Breeks and a proper tartan while grouse hunting in Scotland

July 9, 2011, 11:01 AM	#1
kaylorinhi Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2010 Location: The brown eye of america Posts: 463	Cardboard wads? Hey guys, My dad asked me an interesting question. Is there any cardboard wadded 20 shot shells? I figured I would set a trot line before heading out to hunt the INTERNET! Much appreciated! Mike My Pops dog, a 15 yo chow mix, likes to eat the plastic wads everytime my dad drops a squirrel in his citrus orchard. He is just looking for more stomach/intestine friendly factory loaded shells for a dog that knows no commands and is deaf anyway! __________________ Buy your guns by Yardline, Not Looks. Last edited by kaylorinhi; July 9, 2011 at 11:14 AM. Reason: More info

July 9, 2011, 05:01 PM	#6
kaylorinhi Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2010 Location: The brown eye of america Posts: 463	I am looking for Factory loaded ammo. He does not reload. @Rifleman1776, it was a figure speech, becuase "people" on here keep telling other people to go search the internet, so I stated that I was searching the internet and asking at the same time! __________________ Buy your guns by Yardline, Not Looks.

July 10, 2011, 01:48 PM	#10
kaylorinhi Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2010 Location: The brown eye of america Posts: 463	thank you so far I have passed the H&H site along and will continue to pass others, I also recommended getting into Rollin his own as he is retired and needs a hobby and I can get cheap ammo from him! Thank you guys for the insight! __________________ Buy your guns by Yardline, Not Looks.

July 17, 2011, 05:22 PM	#12
Jack O'Conner Senior Member Join Date: July 11, 2005 Location: Manatee County, Florida Posts: 1,976	When I was a kid in the 1960's we hunted with thick paper hulls. Wad consisted of cardboard and paper flakes. At each shot, little pieces of paper floated around. We bought our shells at local hardware store. Shells were named Tru Test. Plastic hulls and modern wads became popular in 1970's. Jack __________________ Fire up the grill! Deer hunting IS NOT catch and release.

July 18, 2011, 01:06 PM	#17
Hardcase Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2009 Location: Sunny Southern Idaho Posts: 1,909	Classic Shooting sells Holland and Holland shells. They use fiber wads. You probably won't like the prices, though. http://www.classicshooting.com __________________ Well we don't rent pigs and I figure it's better to say it right out front because a man that does like to rent pigs is... he's hard to stop - Gus McCrae

July 9, 2011, 11:51 AM	#2
Rifleman1776 Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,309	What does fishing with a trot line have to do with anything firearms related? As for the 15 year old dog, why worry about it? The dog is going to die soon anywhat. Let him chew plastic or don't take him hunting.

July 9, 2011, 12:03 PM	#3
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	There are some choices but they will be more expensive http://www.classicshooting.com/20-ga...ammunition.htm While those are extreme, they are an example of what you want to find

July 9, 2011, 12:31 PM	#4
lamarw Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2010 Location: Lake Martin, AL Posts: 3,311	Another approach is to obtain the all brass Magtech shell casings and load your own. I am currently exploring this new personal arena. I loaded a few shells last night. I am not going to reload more until after I have test fired my test rounds. Midway USA has the brass, and the wadds. I was advised to use the 16 gauge wads for the 20 gauge brass, and they fit perfectly. The brass shells use large pistol primers. You can see a post of mine of the Reloading section of the Forum. It is an adventure; although other do it all the time especially black powder guys.

July 9, 2011, 01:12 PM	#5
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Are you asking if there are any factory loads with paper wadding (instead of the typical plastic), or are you wanting reloading supplies?

July 9, 2011, 06:05 PM	#7
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	As I pointed out, what you are looking for are shells with fibers wads. Whether they have cardboard top with a roll crimp or the standard star crimp, it seems you are wanting to avoid plastic wads

July 9, 2011, 06:17 PM	#8
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	I've not seen a factory shotshell without a plastic wad for many years. Their ease of reloading and superior performance have eclipsed the card and fiber wads into virtual obscurity. There may be some paper wadded shells made for environmental (chewing dog friendly) reasons. I'm not aware of any, but I haven't been looking for them. The last time I loaded with card and fiber wads was in the early 70s. Ballistic Products, Inc. is the major supplier of extraordinary reloading components (and other items). They may be able to direct you to a supplier of paper wadded shotshells.

July 9, 2011, 06:43 PM	#9
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Zippy, where I hear about them is from my English friends who can't use plastic wads for enviro reasons. A lot of hunters here, and certain clubs, etc, seem to be adopting the older retro standard to cut down on the "trash" left behind after shooting. One nice thing about them, is they are gentle on older guns, so if someone is shooting grandpa's Parker from the 20's, the pressures are typically lower

July 10, 2011, 01:55 PM	#11
Maxem0815 Junior member Join Date: May 23, 2011 Posts: 216	If some one is interested in 20 or 12 gage carboard wads I have a bunch and would gladly give some away just pay shipping like the USPS it fits it ships box. Mace

July 17, 2011, 06:57 PM	#13
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	I have no answer to the OP but to Rifleman at the top you are a serious jack wagon for saying that. Why would you tell a guy his dogs going to die

July 17, 2011, 07:14 PM	#14
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	That dog may have five or six good years left. Lamar if you roll crimp those Magtechs they wont last long. If you're using them in a repeater you will have to have a slight taper on the mouth to get them to feed. If you're using them in a break action you don't have to taper them at all just run a bead of Elmers glue around the edge of the overshot card.

July 18, 2011, 02:13 AM	#15
olddrum1 Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 807	A couple of years ago Winchester was using a fiber or cardboard wad in their cheap Expert shells I believe. Not sure if they still do. Might cut one open. Has your Dad considered that the Chows poop might pattern better with the plastic wads?

July 18, 2011, 05:35 AM	#16
pabuckslayer08 Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2010 Location: South Central Pa Posts: 692	Winchester is plastic now for all their shells

July 18, 2011, 01:21 PM	#18
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	BPI has Game Bore 20 gauge with fiber wads for about $16/box http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Gam...fo/G2025GHF28/

July 18, 2011, 02:09 PM	#19
TheKlawMan Junior member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 2,149	If it is a 20 or 28 you might look at Polywad's wadless cartridges, but again they are @$15 a box. R U sure your dad wouldn't like to reload? Still, how much does he shoot? If he only uses a few boxes a year, get the high price spread.

July 18, 2011, 02:15 PM	#20
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Hardcase, I checked out your link… is a wearing a tie required when shooting H & H loads?

July 18, 2011, 07:53 PM	#22
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	And you had better be wearing Breeks and a proper tartan while grouse hunting in Scotland