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July 9, 2012, 07:58 AM | #26 |
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Choosing a gun is all about what you like.
Having said that, I'll say it's a great gun. As far as cons go, the safety for me, but it's just preference, other than that, good to go. |
July 9, 2012, 08:09 AM | #27 |
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The older 92's had a weak locking block, just like the Taurus. They use an upgraded locking block in the newer 92's - don't know when they started this, but something to be aware of. FYI, a shattered locking block can ruin your gun.
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July 9, 2012, 08:18 AM | #28 |
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There are no cons, only quirks of the standard design and things to pay attention to in training.
For all of the reviling that the locking block receives, it's been long since redesigned to have radiused corners that don't stress and crack nearly as frequently as the old design did, and the item is THE wear part of the lock up. On a standard lock up where the barrel hood engages the ejection port, the slide is the wear item rather than the Beretta's locking block. As for its size, it is very comparable in size and weight to the SIG P226, which also only holds fifteen plus one rounds. If you don't like the size to capacity ratio, change it. Beretta makes 17 round flush fit mags. Mec-Gar makes eighteen rounders. Both the 92FS and the SIG P226 are only 15+1 because of the massive anti tipping followers that they used in their standard magazines to ensure feed reliability in XM9. The Beretta's safety system is best used as an administrative one. Carrying a 92FS with the safety on is like wearing a belt and suspenders. No serious Beretta carrier uses it that way. If you ignore the Beretta's massive and easy to hit slide release and insist on using the overhand slingshot to return the pistol to battery, train yourself to also grip the safety levers and rip back with upwards pressure on them and you'll never be caught accidentally decocked.
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July 9, 2012, 08:23 AM | #29 |
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Early catastrophic slide failures and triggerbar engineering aside, I still think the 92 is a better gun than any Glock.
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July 9, 2012, 08:37 AM | #30 | |
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I have seen a few locking blocks break on very high round count training guns but none of them ever ruined a gun. |
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July 9, 2012, 08:47 AM | #31 |
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I owned a Beretta 92FS for a couple years. I got it basically to see what all the complaining is about.
I found it to be accurate and reliable. It's size didn't bother me at all, and it fit my hand very well. It is a fine pistol. Eventually, I traded it for a Glock 17. For my purposes, the G17 is a better combat 9mm in every way...again, for MY purposes.
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July 9, 2012, 09:06 AM | #32 |
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I do not own one but I have shot one plenty, my brother says they have problems over seas with the sand and the slide and barrel fitting, them being external and all. He says they will encounter jams and breakage but other than my brother I have not heard this before but I could see it happening. Over here though not a problem. I would personally love to own one soon.
please lt me know if anyone else has heard of this before as far as sand, slide, and barrel problems. |
July 9, 2012, 09:50 AM | #33 |
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Size - it is way too big for a pocket pistol
Grip - it is way too big for women and children Reliability - it is too unreliable for someone who shoots 50,000 rounds per year Don't put the 92FS into a category that it doesn't belong!!!! Dr. Phil says "get real" If the 92FS was THAT bad, they would be selling for $45 at the pawn shop.
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July 9, 2012, 09:59 AM | #34 |
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I guess it depends what your purchasing it for. I like the M9 allot. I like the size and the way it points. I like the safety for home defense use. The slide failure someone mentioned is way over rated. At the time the Navy Spec war guys were shooting issued guns to failure and when the M9 failure occured (frame twisted and broke as do all pistols when shot to failure,) the slide came back and hit the shooter. Beretta corrected that with a new feature that prevents the slide from coming back. Fine pistol all around.
With all that said I'm currently a Glock man and prefer it to all others. |
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July 9, 2012, 11:05 AM | #36 |
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I have never seen a M9 stove pipe on the M9 during 15 years of training troops to use the weapon. Still, as you said, the safety can be unintentionally engaged if you rack the slide incorrectly. Again, I have never had this problem either using the thumb and forefinger or reaching over the top.
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July 9, 2012, 11:20 AM | #37 |
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It's not a .40 or .45. I own the 96 and like it a lot. just wish they would make a man sized one in .45
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July 9, 2012, 11:57 AM | #38 |
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Want .40? Get a replacement slide assembly and barrel in .40. Done.
Oh and .40 mags. |
July 9, 2012, 12:52 PM | #39 | |
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I've had one since 1989 that's needed one magazine replacement and two new recoil springs. That would make it more reliable than my P226, which required roughly the same stuff, plus a new trigger bar spring, in a similar period.
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July 9, 2012, 01:01 PM | #40 |
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I have seen cracked frames on these same guns but they did not coincide with a broken locking block. Again, these were very high round count guns.
Probably saw more broken trigger springs than anything else. All in all, I would say they are good guns, but like any weapon, if you put thousands of rounds through them something will eventually need to be replaced. |
July 9, 2012, 01:13 PM | #41 |
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I have one and generally like it. It's faults keep it in the safe most of the time though.
I'm not a big fan of the DA pull. Not the guns fault, just something I should have thought about before buying. The slide mounted safety/decocker is absolutely retarded. While doing an overhand rack you run the risk of decocking the gun and putting it on safe. Not being able to change the front sight. Again something I should have thought about before buying. |
July 9, 2012, 01:18 PM | #42 |
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love my 92's I have 2 92FS, a 92 Brigadier and a 96D ... all have upgraded springs and most are the wolff conversion for the trigger spring (you can also do a D spring upgrade for same price).
i shoot one of the 92FS in teh SSP class with no problems. i am usually the only one with a beretta and always get strange looks.. especially when I beat the plastic shooting guys... my wife prefers one of my 92FS as her main range gun, she has no problems with teh grip and can easily "reach" the trigger.. one mod I do on these guns is the wolff or d spring as mentioned above and then the hogue grip panels (not the wrap around ones), same size as the facotry panels, but has better grip...
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July 9, 2012, 03:18 PM | #45 |
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I have no stinkin cons. Love my 92fs Inox!
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July 9, 2012, 03:44 PM | #46 |
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95% of the guys on this forum won't run 5k rounds in any pistol let alone 15k. Keep it maintained, clean and the 92 will do everything asked of it.
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July 9, 2012, 04:44 PM | #49 |
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When I first got my 92fs I didn't like the safety, now after finding the right way to use it it comes pretty naturally. My hands are pretty small so it definitely fills my hand, but it feels good.
I guess my only gripe is that the safety can not be on with the hammer cocked. I would have liked it the way it was on another Beretta I had. The first click was to put it on safe and when you pushed it down after it was on safe that is when it decocked. Nothing really big at all. Definitely would not keep me from buying it again if the chance presented itself. |
July 9, 2012, 05:46 PM | #50 |
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Newbie here and just my 2 cents, I heard complaints about trigger reach, weight, grip size and in some cases just overall appeal for something else. I may have a solution that not many think about.
I was a cop for six years and my main duty weapon was a Beretta 96 Vertec in Inox finish and I carried several weapons before falling in love with this one. 1) Shortened trigger reach and very comfortable 2) Weight was great because it didn't feel like a boat anchor 3) Grip was totally changed with a slimmer feel and flat backstrap like a 1911 4) Tatical light rail on all them,9 or .40, some people like rails some dont but this was a specific weapon for duty and the light rail was extremely helpful 5) Overall it was a little shorter due to the fact that the barrel did not stick out the muzzle like all the rest in this family The only problem is that Beretta does not make this gun anymore. What a shame because this is a great weapon. I have seen them at gun shows recently but not very much over the years. It wasn't that popular on it's looks but once you have it in your hands, you won't look at another Beretta. Like I said Just My 2 Cents |
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