I've done it now.

Raider2000 · November 2, 2007, 06:21 PM

Yup Guys-n-Gals I've done gone & did it, I bought my self a 5-1/2" barreled 1858 Remington by Pietta today from Cabelas.

I know I have been looking really hard at the 5-1/2" barreled 1860 Colts for a little over a week but every time that I would look at Gryms' Remy made me want one of those too.

Now I need to pry my brothers fingers away from my Navy Arms 1858 Remington so I'll have the set "sort of" while I'm at it maybe I can get my Dragoon from him too.

Here's the link if any one is interested, come join me Moma's goin to be mad at me when she finds out so I need company...

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...=cat20817&rid=

grymster2007 · November 2, 2007, 07:43 PM

Raider,

This here confirms my estimation of your character!

I think your gonna like it! I sure like mine and fondle it daily. Can’t wait to get ‘er back to the range! I still need to fix the sight and the loading arm latch, but just need a bit of spare time.

Quote:

Moma's goin to be mad at me when she finds out so I need company...

I'd like to join you but Mrs. Grymster does not yet know about mine… or the conversion cylinder… or well… other stuff…

One thing I can think of is if you don’t have a nipple wrench, don’t order the Traditions one for $7. I did and spent $15 getting it here in a hurry. First couple of nipples completely ruined the “hardened” wrench. Try a different brand!

I found a chunk of 440C in my basement was is just the right size. I went to a friend’s house (his wife lets him have a nice little shop in the garage

…. mine don’t

) and I now have it machined and ready to harden and draw. I was in a rush and made no effort to make it real pretty, but it should be serviceable.

Enjoy yours, post some pics if you can and we will definitely need a range report.

Raider2000 · November 2, 2007, 08:01 PM

You've got it bud.

I've allready got 3 nipple wrenches that'll do the job nicely, one thing you may want to do is get some 3M anti seize compound from the auto parts store "I have it in a metal bottle but it lasts a long time" & use a little on the threads of your nipples & don't crank em down, just a little snug, I've been doing mine like that for a long time & even after a long day at the range they will come out with no effort.

I'm going to hold off on the conversion cylinder till I get to know it some, almost all my C&B revolvers have had my touch applied to make em just the way I like em "cleaning, tuning, & smothing" then see what she'll do on the range, who knows I may just get a spare percussion cylinder & leave it at that.

My wife is sortof like that but tolorates some of my hobby "archery, & muzzle loading."

K.A.T. · November 3, 2007, 05:02 PM

Do like I do, I tell my wife to get back in the house and shut up, after she shuts the door. That way you allways get the last word in.

Raider2000 · November 3, 2007, 06:10 PM

The thing is, I may wind up selling my Stone Mountain Arms 1851 Navy steel frame .44 "for maybe $100.00" to make room in my safe for my new addition, being that I haven't shot it in nearly 10 years.

I just got my Navy Arms 1858 Remington from my Brother, he cried a bit so I let him keep my Navy Arms 3rd. Dragoon permanently "my bum knee don't like carrying that thing around anyway" but I had to go to the range to let some lead fly out of an old friend....

.457 145gr. ball
35gr. FFFG Goex
Remington #11's
900 fps. AVG!!!!!!
260.5 ft. lbs.

And I was hitting a paper plate pretty consistent at 25 yards!

I think this little jewel will be a lotta fun.

oldmaster111 · November 3, 2007, 06:59 PM

DON'T SELL YOUR GUN.................BUY A BIGGER SAFE!!!!!!!!

Raider2000 · November 3, 2007, 07:03 PM

That'll depend on if Moma will allow me to keep it & allow me to get a bigger safe..

Hawg · November 3, 2007, 07:33 PM

Get rid of it and get something more realistic. Colt didn't make an 1851 in .44.
No, I don't want it.

Raider2000 · November 3, 2007, 08:48 PM

Yeah I know, I think it's about 12 years old & I bought it off a friend about 10 years ago to help him out of some hard times, it's a nice piece for some one that wants a shooter but otherwise......

I do have a real Colt 1851 Navy .36 but it'll stay in it's nice glass case at least till God needs me.

K.A.T. · November 3, 2007, 10:56 PM

Raider2000, I hope you have fun with the Remington 1858.

Lets talk about that Colt you have under the glass, take that thing out man and bring it to life! It's been waiting all it's life for someone to feed it some blackpowder! Let her live, someone is probably going to after you are gone anyway, might as well be you.

I just shot a 2nd gen. Colt Walker yesterday for the first time, don't regret it a bit. I've done the same with a Colt 1851 Navy, and a 1860 Army Colt. Bring it to life, sorry if I jumped the subject.

Raider2000 · November 3, 2007, 11:12 PM

No probs my friend, my 1851 Colt Navy has been in my family since around 1857 belonged to my Great Great Grandfather.
As far as putting some powder into her, I think she's a bit too tired for that.

K.A.T. · November 3, 2007, 11:28 PM

Sorry Raider 2000, I assumed you were talking about a 2nd gen. Colt. You are one lucky man, to have an original is one thing, but to have one that is part of the family is really special.

Raider2000 · November 4, 2007, 05:58 AM

no probs not many know about her unless you were in my home..

Hawg · November 4, 2007, 10:24 AM

Raider, how bout some pics of the old girl?

Raider2000 · November 4, 2007, 09:17 PM

HH:

I'll have to get back to you on that.
She presently resides at my fathers home in South West Virginia "my last divorce scared him & I where the old girl may have been out of our family forever" & for now she'll stay there till I know it'll be safe in my home again.

My next visit I'll try to remember to take a few pictures for all to enjoy...

grymster2007 · November 7, 2007, 04:31 PM

Finished my 440C stainless nipple wrench. Hardened and drawn to 52 Rockwell C. Didn’t have appropriate stock for the handle, so I’m currently using the black one from the Traditions POC. I even managed to incorporate the nipple pick from the traditions. Works great and someday I’ll push the handle out and press a stainless one in.

Sorry 'bout hi-jackin' yur thread Raider, but I gotta show this off.

Raider2000 · November 7, 2007, 05:02 PM

Hey that's cool man, that's pretty sweet makes me wish I had the time to make one my self like that..

Raider2000 · November 8, 2007, 10:26 PM

Well here it is!!!

I got home this afternoon & it was waiting for me like my long lost puppy....
I will say it looks darned good in person except for the grips "a little too fat at the top" but some fine tuning will have em fit just as nicely as my Navy Arms 1858 New Army "by Pietta."

Raider2000 · November 11, 2007, 08:52 PM

Well today I had the pleasure to throw some lead through my new toy, & let me tell ya it's a bit surprising in the recoil & chronograph area compared to my full sized 1858 but manageable.

These were taken from 6' on my Pro Chrono just to see what differences in the barrel length would give me.
Bullet = .457 144 grain Hornady Round Ball.
Powder = Goex FFFg black powder.
Primer = Remington #11

8” barrel average ballistics.
35 gr. Volume 34 gr. Weight = 935 fps. 279 ft. lbs.
30 gr. Volume 29 gr. Weight = 842 fps. 226 ft. lbs.
5-1/2” Barrel Average Ballistics.
35 gr. Volume 34 gr. Weight = 861 fps. 236 ft. lbs.
30 gr. Volume 29 gr. Weight = 766 fps. 187 ft. lbs.

Now my accuracy was to be desired but I'm getting used to this little fella, with a 25 yard group of 6" & slightly favoring the left, the front sight to me is a bit lower than I had anticipated so most of my shots are 2.5" - 3.0" high.

after running 30 shots through it today between the 2 cylinders I had to call it a day "ran out of powder in my box" but I've learned a bit on what it can do & see that I have some more sessions with it to get even more accuracy out of it...

BTW.
I used my powder measure that I use for measuring my loads for my Hawken & I noticed that there is a slight discrepancy in my 2 pistol powder measures & my Rifle measure.
My pistol measures are the simple brass tube type with no swinging funnel that read 5gr. to 50gr..
My Rifle measure is also brass but it does have a swinging funnel & it reads from 10gr. to 120gr..
My quandary is this.
When I use my rifle measure & back it up with the scale it is usually 1gr. less by weight than the volume reading on the measure no matter what amount I want to use on the measure, not bad.
When I use the pistol measures they degrade a bit as you go up the scale, 10gr. = 9gr., 40gr. = 35gr. not alot granted but just wondering if the smaller measures aren't as accurate as they could be..

mykeal · November 11, 2007, 08:59 PM

Any problems with fouling the base pin?

Raider2000 · November 11, 2007, 09:41 PM

Actually not too bad, my Navy Arms 1858 has only 1 cylinder & I ran 18 shots through it & it started it's slow down around shot # 16 where I used my left hand to help the cylinder turn for the next 2 shots but removal of the base pin was still pretty easy "not newly cleaned easy but not impossible with just my fingers."

I made it a habit to wipe the cylinder face & pin a little between cylinders on the Sherrifs model "as Cabelas calls it" since I was swaping cylinders during my session with it...

Interestingly the Navy Arms cylinder has narrower bolt stops milled in it where the new Pietta has a bit wider stops, there fore they will not interchange...

grymster2007 · November 12, 2007, 12:10 PM

Very nice Raider. Sure is purdy.

Nice range report too. Thanks

WV SCROUNGER · October 14, 2008, 04:53 PM

You are in for a Big surprise when you get your dragoon....they are much heavier than a '58 and pack alot more powder...they sould like a 12 guage when ya shoot em....BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

sundance44s · October 14, 2008, 04:59 PM

I told my wife to shut up one time ...I didn`t see her again for 2 weeks ...on the 3rd week my right eye healed up enough so I could see her again ...

mike6975 · October 14, 2008, 05:27 PM

great info raider i did a ballistics post awhile back,great on the 58',heres what i posted awhile back.it's a 60' army& a walker,compared to 45acp. ballistics.anyone else can post theres also.

Respectfully,

mike

(colt model 1860 army 44 cal. 8" barrel)
37 grain load/138gr.=.451rb bulllet/[email protected]

(colt walker 9" barrel)
50 grain load/141gr.=.454rb bulllet/[email protected]!!!!!

(magtech cowboy load) cartridge
45 lng. colt 250grn. bullet [email protected]

(ultramax cowboy ammo)
45 lng. colt 250grn. bullet [email protected]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
modern gun ballistics

(wolf gold line ammo)
45 lng. colt 185grn. bullet [email protected]

(cci blazer ammo)
45 lng. colt 230grn. bullet [email protected]

(winchester pistol usa ammo)
45 lng. colt 230grn. bullet [email protected]

(remington handgun ammo)
45 lng. colt 230grn. bullet [email protected]

(hornady ammo)
45 lng. colt 230grn. bullet [email protected]

November 3, 2007, 05:02 PM	#4
K.A.T. Member Join Date: May 31, 2007 Location: Gainesville,Ga. Posts: 80	Do like I do, I tell my wife to get back in the house and shut up, after she shuts the door. That way you allways get the last word in. __________________ Never mind the dog, beware of the Colt!

November 3, 2007, 06:10 PM	#5
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	The thing is, I may wind up selling my Stone Mountain Arms 1851 Navy steel frame .44 "for maybe $100.00" to make room in my safe for my new addition, being that I haven't shot it in nearly 10 years. I just got my Navy Arms 1858 Remington from my Brother, he cried a bit so I let him keep my Navy Arms 3rd. Dragoon permanently "my bum knee don't like carrying that thing around anyway" but I had to go to the range to let some lead fly out of an old friend.... .457 145gr. ball 35gr. FFFG Goex Remington #11's 900 fps. AVG!!!!!! 260.5 ft. lbs. And I was hitting a paper plate pretty consistent at 25 yards! I think this little jewel will be a lotta fun. Last edited by Raider2000; November 3, 2007 at 07:01 PM.

November 3, 2007, 10:56 PM	#10
K.A.T. Member Join Date: May 31, 2007 Location: Gainesville,Ga. Posts: 80	Raider2000, I hope you have fun with the Remington 1858. Lets talk about that Colt you have under the glass, take that thing out man and bring it to life! It's been waiting all it's life for someone to feed it some blackpowder! Let her live, someone is probably going to after you are gone anyway, might as well be you. I just shot a 2nd gen. Colt Walker yesterday for the first time, don't regret it a bit. I've done the same with a Colt 1851 Navy, and a 1860 Army Colt. Bring it to life, sorry if I jumped the subject. __________________ Never mind the dog, beware of the Colt!

November 3, 2007, 11:28 PM	#12
K.A.T. Member Join Date: May 31, 2007 Location: Gainesville,Ga. Posts: 80	Sorry Raider 2000, I assumed you were talking about a 2nd gen. Colt. You are one lucky man, to have an original is one thing, but to have one that is part of the family is really special. __________________ Never mind the dog, beware of the Colt!

November 7, 2007, 04:31 PM	#16
grymster2007 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: In the oak studded hills near Napa Posts: 2,203	Finished my 440C stainless nipple wrench. Hardened and drawn to 52 Rockwell C. Didn’t have appropriate stock for the handle, so I’m currently using the black one from the Traditions POC. I even managed to incorporate the nipple pick from the traditions. Works great and someday I’ll push the handle out and press a stainless one in. Sorry 'bout hi-jackin' yur thread Raider, but I gotta show this off. __________________ grym Last edited by grymster2007; August 11, 2008 at 12:42 PM.

November 2, 2007, 06:21 PM	#1
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	I've done it now. Yup Guys-n-Gals I've done gone & did it, I bought my self a 5-1/2" barreled 1858 Remington by Pietta today from Cabelas. I know I have been looking really hard at the 5-1/2" barreled 1860 Colts for a little over a week but every time that I would look at Gryms' Remy made me want one of those too. Now I need to pry my brothers fingers away from my Navy Arms 1858 Remington so I'll have the set "sort of" while I'm at it maybe I can get my Dragoon from him too. Here's the link if any one is interested, come join me Moma's goin to be mad at me when she finds out so I need company... http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...=cat20817&rid=

November 2, 2007, 08:01 PM	#3
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	You've got it bud. I've allready got 3 nipple wrenches that'll do the job nicely, one thing you may want to do is get some 3M anti seize compound from the auto parts store "I have it in a metal bottle but it lasts a long time" & use a little on the threads of your nipples & don't crank em down, just a little snug, I've been doing mine like that for a long time & even after a long day at the range they will come out with no effort. I'm going to hold off on the conversion cylinder till I get to know it some, almost all my C&B revolvers have had my touch applied to make em just the way I like em "cleaning, tuning, & smothing" then see what she'll do on the range, who knows I may just get a spare percussion cylinder & leave it at that. My wife is sortof like that but tolorates some of my hobby "archery, & muzzle loading."

November 3, 2007, 06:59 PM	#6
oldmaster111 Senior Member Join Date: February 19, 2006 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 199	DON'T SELL YOUR GUN.................BUY A BIGGER SAFE!!!!!!!!

November 3, 2007, 07:03 PM	#7
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	That'll depend on if Moma will allow me to keep it & allow me to get a bigger safe..

November 3, 2007, 07:33 PM	#8
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Get rid of it and get something more realistic. Colt didn't make an 1851 in .44. No, I don't want it.

November 3, 2007, 08:48 PM	#9
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	Yeah I know, I think it's about 12 years old & I bought it off a friend about 10 years ago to help him out of some hard times, it's a nice piece for some one that wants a shooter but otherwise...... I do have a real Colt 1851 Navy .36 but it'll stay in it's nice glass case at least till God needs me.

November 3, 2007, 11:12 PM	#11
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	No probs my friend, my 1851 Colt Navy has been in my family since around 1857 belonged to my Great Great Grandfather. As far as putting some powder into her, I think she's a bit too tired for that.

November 4, 2007, 05:58 AM	#13
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	no probs not many know about her unless you were in my home..

November 4, 2007, 10:24 AM	#14
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Raider, how bout some pics of the old girl?

November 4, 2007, 09:17 PM	#15
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	HH: I'll have to get back to you on that. She presently resides at my fathers home in South West Virginia "my last divorce scared him & I where the old girl may have been out of our family forever" & for now she'll stay there till I know it'll be safe in my home again. My next visit I'll try to remember to take a few pictures for all to enjoy...

November 7, 2007, 05:02 PM	#17
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	Hey that's cool man, that's pretty sweet makes me wish I had the time to make one my self like that..

November 8, 2007, 10:26 PM	#18
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	Well here it is!!! I got home this afternoon & it was waiting for me like my long lost puppy.... I will say it looks darned good in person except for the grips "a little too fat at the top" but some fine tuning will have em fit just as nicely as my Navy Arms 1858 New Army "by Pietta."

November 11, 2007, 08:52 PM	#19
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	Well today I had the pleasure to throw some lead through my new toy, & let me tell ya it's a bit surprising in the recoil & chronograph area compared to my full sized 1858 but manageable. These were taken from 6' on my Pro Chrono just to see what differences in the barrel length would give me. Bullet = .457 144 grain Hornady Round Ball. Powder = Goex FFFg black powder. Primer = Remington #11 8” barrel average ballistics. 35 gr. Volume 34 gr. Weight = 935 fps. 279 ft. lbs. 30 gr. Volume 29 gr. Weight = 842 fps. 226 ft. lbs. 5-1/2” Barrel Average Ballistics. 35 gr. Volume 34 gr. Weight = 861 fps. 236 ft. lbs. 30 gr. Volume 29 gr. Weight = 766 fps. 187 ft. lbs. Now my accuracy was to be desired but I'm getting used to this little fella, with a 25 yard group of 6" & slightly favoring the left, the front sight to me is a bit lower than I had anticipated so most of my shots are 2.5" - 3.0" high. after running 30 shots through it today between the 2 cylinders I had to call it a day "ran out of powder in my box" but I've learned a bit on what it can do & see that I have some more sessions with it to get even more accuracy out of it... BTW. I used my powder measure that I use for measuring my loads for my Hawken & I noticed that there is a slight discrepancy in my 2 pistol powder measures & my Rifle measure. My pistol measures are the simple brass tube type with no swinging funnel that read 5gr. to 50gr.. My Rifle measure is also brass but it does have a swinging funnel & it reads from 10gr. to 120gr.. My quandary is this. When I use my rifle measure & back it up with the scale it is usually 1gr. less by weight than the volume reading on the measure no matter what amount I want to use on the measure, not bad. When I use the pistol measures they degrade a bit as you go up the scale, 10gr. = 9gr., 40gr. = 35gr. not alot granted but just wondering if the smaller measures aren't as accurate as they could be..

November 11, 2007, 08:59 PM	#20
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	Any problems with fouling the base pin?

November 11, 2007, 09:41 PM	#21
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	Actually not too bad, my Navy Arms 1858 has only 1 cylinder & I ran 18 shots through it & it started it's slow down around shot # 16 where I used my left hand to help the cylinder turn for the next 2 shots but removal of the base pin was still pretty easy "not newly cleaned easy but not impossible with just my fingers." I made it a habit to wipe the cylinder face & pin a little between cylinders on the Sherrifs model "as Cabelas calls it" since I was swaping cylinders during my session with it... Interestingly the Navy Arms cylinder has narrower bolt stops milled in it where the new Pietta has a bit wider stops, there fore they will not interchange...

November 12, 2007, 12:10 PM	#22
grymster2007 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: In the oak studded hills near Napa Posts: 2,203	Very nice Raider. Sure is purdy. Nice range report too. Thanks __________________ grym

October 14, 2008, 04:53 PM	#23
WV SCROUNGER Member Join Date: July 28, 2008 Posts: 17	DID you say DRAGOON ???? You are in for a Big surprise when you get your dragoon....they are much heavier than a '58 and pack alot more powder...they sould like a 12 guage when ya shoot em....BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

October 14, 2008, 04:59 PM	#24
sundance44s Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2006 Location: Hernando , Ms. Posts: 579	I told my wife to shut up one time ...I didn`t see her again for 2 weeks ...on the 3rd week my right eye healed up enough so I could see her again ...

October 14, 2008, 05:27 PM	#25
mike6975 Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2008 Posts: 104	good ballistics raider2000 great info raider i did a ballistics post awhile back,great on the 58',heres what i posted awhile back.it's a 60' army& a walker,compared to 45acp. ballistics.anyone else can post theres also. Respectfully, mike (colt model 1860 army 44 cal. 8" barrel) 37 grain load/138gr.=.451rb bulllet/[email protected] (colt walker 9" barrel) 50 grain load/141gr.=.454rb bulllet/[email protected]!!!!! (magtech cowboy load) cartridge 45 lng. colt 250grn. bullet [email protected] (ultramax cowboy ammo) 45 lng. colt 250grn. bullet [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- modern gun ballistics (wolf gold line ammo) 45 lng. colt 185grn. bullet [email protected] (cci blazer ammo) 45 lng. colt 230grn. bullet [email protected] (winchester pistol usa ammo) 45 lng. colt 230grn. bullet [email protected] (remington handgun ammo) 45 lng. colt 230grn. bullet [email protected] (hornady ammo) 45 lng. colt 230grn. bullet [email protected]