Brass frame 1851...

C&BGuy · July 10, 2009, 03:42 PM

So yesterday i ordered a brass frame 1851 .44 cal from cabelas since there going for pretty cheap...($129)
And I thought it would be a good introduction into shooting bp revolvers for me. What would be a good load to make the gun last awhile and keep the frame from streching? What am i going to need besides a flask, caps, measure, powder, balls, wads...?
Thanks

Deadguy · July 10, 2009, 04:53 PM

20 to 25 grains of BP or substitute and a round ball, with wad or grease will do!

**4V50 Gary** · July 10, 2009, 06:00 PM

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Fingers McGee · July 10, 2009, 06:51 PM

What 4V50Gary said

CaptainCrossman · July 11, 2009, 08:05 AM

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So yesterday i ordered a brass frame 1851 .44 cal from cabelas since there going for pretty cheap...($129)
And I thought it would be a good introduction into shooting bp revolvers for me. What would be a good load to make the gun last awhile and keep the frame from streching? What am i going to need besides a flask, caps, measure, powder, balls, wads...?
Thanks

only $129 now ? gee I wonder why..

if serious shooting it intended, any brass frame gun should first have the arbor pinned into the frame vertically or horizontally at a 90 degree angle to the threads. The old Replica Arms brass guns were pinned vertically right from the factory, directly under the hammer straight down, during the 1950-60's, I have one of the old frames and inspected it. The arbor is still tight 42 years later- it's stamped XXIII making it a 1967 model. The vertical pin greatly strengthens the frame/arbor and gun. Doing so , then you can shoot full loads of powder from it, and not have to "load it down" to 10-15 grains. Nothing is more boring, than shooting little squib loads from a bp cb revolver. You want it to speak with authority.

one problem with the brass frames is, it will still peen the recoil shield with the cylinder eventually, regardless of how you load it. The factory loadings from the 1800's were 20 grains powder for 36 cal., and 27 grains powder for 44 cal, both w/round balls

madcratebuilder · July 12, 2009, 08:06 AM

C&BGuy, I would not be concerned about that brasser bashers and their claims of doom and failure. Your Pitta should have double horizontal pins on the arbor.

Colt specifications for the open top .44 steel frame are 25 to 30 grs of FFFg with 25 recommended. Reducing your load to the 18-20gr well insure a long life for the brass frame. Keep an eye on the barrel gap. If you get excessive gap, that movement well increase the possibility of peening the recoil shield. My Pietta .44 brasser came out of the box with a tight barrel gap and the arbor was only .010 short.

CaptainCrossman · July 12, 2009, 11:48 AM

pin and plate, and shoot away- the only way to fly with a brasser

C&BGuy · July 12, 2009, 01:48 PM

Yeah im going to keeps the loads between 18-24 grains and im sure she'll be fine. I can't wait till it comes in though

I've already made up a batch of grease cookies. 50/50 mix with beeswax and crisco with a big dollop of olive oil.

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July 10, 2009, 04:53 PM	#2
Deadguy Member Join Date: April 17, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 93	20 to 25 grains of BP or substitute and a round ball, with wad or grease will do!

July 12, 2009, 08:06 AM	#6
madcratebuilder Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2007 Location: Northern Orygun Posts: 4,923	C&BGuy, I would not be concerned about that brasser bashers and their claims of doom and failure. Your Pitta should have double horizontal pins on the arbor. Colt specifications for the open top .44 steel frame are 25 to 30 grs of FFFg with 25 recommended. Reducing your load to the 18-20gr well insure a long life for the brass frame. Keep an eye on the barrel gap. If you get excessive gap, that movement well increase the possibility of peening the recoil shield. My Pietta .44 brasser came out of the box with a tight barrel gap and the arbor was only .010 short.

July 12, 2009, 11:48 AM	#7
CaptainCrossman Junior member Join Date: April 2, 2009 Posts: 381	pin and plate, and shoot away- the only way to fly with a brasser

July 12, 2009, 01:48 PM	#8
C&BGuy Junior Member Join Date: July 10, 2009 Posts: 4	Yeah im going to keeps the loads between 18-24 grains and im sure she'll be fine. I can't wait till it comes in though I've already made up a batch of grease cookies. 50/50 mix with beeswax and crisco with a big dollop of olive oil.