March 13, 2009, 12:58 PM | #1 |
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Powder Comparison Chart
Does anyone know of a chart for using similar powders from different manufacturers? For instance Barnes only lists loading data for TAC and Varget for 62gn .224 in 223 Remington (unless you give them $40). Is there a chart that list all of the manufacturers powders with conversions from one powder to another. I know that might not give you the hottest most accurate load. If you end up having to use what you have, a functional firearm is better that a baseball bat.
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March 13, 2009, 01:01 PM | #2 |
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"Is there a chart that list all of the manufacturers powders with conversions from one powder to another. "
No. Because it's not possible. |
March 13, 2009, 01:08 PM | #3 |
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Burn rate charts tell you what powders are similar in a certain range but there are no "Crossover" charts for substitutions. Like WN said its not possible.
Powders may be close on a chart but change dramaticly when approaching max loads. If you have a stock of powder on hand there is a good chance it can be made to work. What are you trying to load and what powder do you have? |
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That's the reason I use 4 different reloading manuals; to find a suitable powder. Some manuals list some powders for use with a specific bullet while a different manual may list different powders for the same bullet.
I don't think the question was about exactly same charistics for different manufacturered powders, just a different range of useable/suitable powders.
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Mikid I think your right. If the OP would post what he is trying to load and what he has for powder I bet we could help him.
I have a powder burn rate chart I got from Ramshot. If I knew how to scan it in I would and then post it. Ramshot may even have it on their site and it would have the newer powders mine doesn't have. |
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1. Norma R-1
2. Vihta Vuori N310 3. Hodgdon Titewad 4. Accurate Nitro 100 5. Alliant Bullseye 6. Accurate Solo 1000 7. Scot Red Diamond 8. Alliant Red Dot 9. Alliant Promo 10. Hodgdon Titegroup 11. Accurate No. 2 12. Alliant American Select 13. Winchester AA Plus 14. Hodgdon Clays 15. Vihta Vuori N320 16. Ramshot Competition 17. Scot Royal D 18. Winchester WST 19. Hodgdon HP38 20. Winchester 452AA 21. Scot 453 22. Winchester 231 23. Ramshot Zip 24. IMR 700X 25. Alliant Green Dot 26. Hodgdon Int. Clays 27. Vihta Vuori N330 28. IMR PB 29. Accurate No. 5 30. Scot Pearl 31. Winchester 473AA 32. Hodgdon HS-5 33. Winchester WSL 34. Alliant Unique 35. Hodgdon Univ. Clays 36. Alliant Power Pistol 37. IMR SR-7625 38. Hodgdon HS-6 39. Ramshot Silhouette 40. Winchester WAP 41. Vihta Vuori N340 42. Winchester 540 43. Alliant Herco 44. Winchester WSF 45. IMR SR-4756 46. Scot Solo 1250 47. Vihta Vuori 3N37 48. IMR 800X 49. Accurate No. 7 50. Hodgdon Longshot 51. Scot Solo 1500 52. Ramshot True Blue 53. Vihta Vuori N350 54. Vihta Vuori 3N38 55. Hodgdon HS-7 56. Alliant Blue Dot 57. Winchester 571 58. Vihta Vuori N105 59. Accurate No. 9 60. Ramshot Enforcer 61. Scot 4100 62. Alliant Steel 63. Alliant 2400 64. Vihta Vuori N110 65. Hodgdon Lil Gun 66. Norma R123 67. Hodgdon H110 68. Winchester 296 69. IMR SR-4759 70. Vihta Vuori N120 71. IMR 4227 72. Accurate XMR 5744 73. Alliant 410 75. Vihta Vuori N130 76. Winchester 680 77. Norma N200 78. Accurate 1680 79. Vihta Vuori N133 80. Hodgdon H4198 81. IMR 4198 82. Scot Brig 4197 83. Accurate XMR 2015 84. Scot Brig 3032 85. Alliant RL7 86. IMR 3031 87. Hodgdon Benchmark 88. Norma N201 89. Scot Brig 322 90. Hodgdon H322 91. Ramshot X-Terminator 92. Accurate 2230 93. Winchester 748 94. Alliant RL10X 95. Hodgdon BLC-2 96. Accurate 2460 97. Hodgdon H335 98. Ramshot TAC 99. Hodgdon H4895 100. Accurate XMR 2495 101. Alliant RL12 102. IMR 4895 103. Scot Brig 4065 104. Vihta Vuori N135 105. Hodgdon Varget 106. IMR 4064 107. Accurate XMR 4064 108. Accurate 2520 109. IMR 4320 110. Norma N203 111. Vihta Vuori N140 112. Vihta Vuori N540 113. Accurate 2700 114. Ramshot Big Game 115. Alliant RL15 116. Hodgdon H380 117. Winchester 760 118. Scot Brig 4351 119. Hodgdon H414 120. Vihta Vuori N150 121. Vihta Vuori N550 122. Accurate XMR 4350 123. IMR 4350 124. Hodgdon H4350 125. Norma N204 126. Ramshot Hunter 127. Alliant RL19 128. Vihta Vuori N160 129. Vihta Vuori N560 130. IMR 4831 131. Scot Brig 4831 132. Norma N205 133. Accurate XMR 3100 134. Winchester WMR 135. Hodgdon H4831 136. Norma MRP 137. Alliant RL22 138. Winchester 785 139. Hodgdon H450 140. Accurate Mag Pro 141. Vihta Vuori N165 142. Winchester WXR 143. IMR 7828 144. Accurate 8700 145. Hodgdon H1000 146. Ramshot Magnum 147. Alliant RL25 148. Hodgdon Retumbo 149. Hodgdon H870 150. Vihta Vuori N170 151. Vihta Vuori 24N41 152. Hogdon 50 BMG 153. Vihta Vuori 20N29 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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There, how do you like that. That is from the Ramshot powder site.
You can't use this to get load data from. Its just a general idea of what is in the same ballpark. Someone tested the three 4350s awhile back. The load charge for each brand was different. The AA 4350 is shown to be the fastest of the three. In the test It took a couple grains more to reach the speed of the other 4350s. Thats why the chart is fun but not a reliable guide for sustitutions. |
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check out this website http://www.adi-limited.com/handloade...quivalents.asp
it show these powders as equivalent(These tables are only approximate, showing equivalence within about 5%) Reloader 22,IMR7828, WXR, Tu 8000, MRP, N165 |
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What I am trying to load.
I had a powder that I thought was similar to TAC (2460) but without a bottle of TAC I couldn't tell. Burn rate is fairly worthless without knowing the powder size and composition. My question was probably more technical than it seemed. I doubt that Ramshot is the only company that makes a powder with the same composition as TAC. 62 gr copper bullets don't have the same loading properties as lead bullets. Thanks for your response. I bought a bottle of TAC; but I was thinking of after Obamanation when we can't get powder anymore.
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That list says Titegroup and American Select are faster burning than Clays?
I don't think so???? |
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I've never seen two list the same, best to just follow the manual. However, I've never seen two manuals the same
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These guys have something like what you ask about, but it is not exact. Still, it's better than a list of pwders that does not show the true relationships of the various brands.
http://www.lapua.com/fileadmin/user_...Rate_Chart.jpg
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I sometimes develop loads for a wildcat cartridge or cannot find data when a cartridge is new,etc.So,I have developed loads from scratch.I will use the burn charts to find a family of powders to test,but I sneak up easy,and study many loading manuals for cartridges with similar characteristics .
All of those charts have disclaimers to read and heed. While a powder might give one level of performance at 46,000 psi,it might be a whole new ball game at 62000 psi. Some powders are spooky because when you reach a certain pressure,a little bit more powder will give a big,sudden pressure spike. As has been stated,you just can't substitute |
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G'day, this might help a little.
This might not be what you need but it has helped some. ADI Technical Centre ADI / Hodgdon Propellants ADI Powder/Hodgdon naming AS30N.................Clays Trail Boss.............Trial Boss AS50N.................International AP70N.................Universal AR2205...............H4227 AR2207...............H4198 AR2219...............H322 BM2....................Benchmark AR2206H.............H4895 AR2208...............Varget AR2209...............H4350 AR2213SC...........H4831 / H4831SC AR2217...............H1000 AR2225...............Retumbo AR2218...............H50BMG http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=319834
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