BP Conical mold?

TomADC · May 20, 2013, 01:50 PM

There is a hand engraved 26 on each half appear to be 45 cal? I'm think a BP conocal bullet of some type.

101combatvet · May 20, 2013, 02:28 PM

Can't see it... post the link.

Hawg · May 20, 2013, 06:03 PM

I get. You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page.

TomADC · May 20, 2013, 07:59 PM

101combatvet · May 20, 2013, 09:01 PM

Hard to tell for sure.... if you have a caliper measure the diameter.

TomADC · May 20, 2013, 10:04 PM

Not mine he tells me it's .45 cal I've ask for some measurements.

TomADC · May 21, 2013, 08:34 AM

Base miked at .442? now I'm confused.

Pahoo · May 21, 2013, 10:00 AM

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Base miked at .442? now I'm confused.

Yeh, I was expecting a larger diameter. My SWAG is still at Cap & Ball Revolver. I'm going to have to do some more homework on this ....

Then again, my .45 rifles, take a .440 and .445 round ball, I can still patch this .442 and have a nice conical in faster twist. .....

Be Safe !!!

Doc Hoy · May 21, 2013, 03:53 PM

...Any bullets that were made with it to measure?!

Mebe he'd let you cast some wif it first?

Hawg · May 21, 2013, 05:39 PM

Probably a ballette rifle mold.

TomADC · May 22, 2013, 05:31 PM

So what do you think something like that is worth? He wants to sell but I don't have a idea what its worth.

Hawg · May 22, 2013, 06:02 PM

I'm just guessing at around 75.00. Depending on who made it it could be worth more.

TomADC · May 24, 2013, 01:20 PM

Just sold for $50 shipped.

Gatofeo · June 1, 2013, 06:28 PM

Wish I'd seen this posting earlier.

I have a mould identical to this one, but in .36 caliber. Clearly made for cap and ball revolvers.
The bullet design is basically a ball with a heel, to slip into the chamber.
Trouble is, the darned heel on soft lead bullets produced by this mould is still slightly too large to slip into any .36 caliber revolver I have.
With some fiddling, I've been able to carefully seat some bullets in my Colt 2nd generation 1851 Navy, which has chambers slightly larger than my Pietta or Uberti Colts or Remingtons.
I'm down to my last few bullets and haven't fired any in years. As I recall, accuracy was not as good as with a plain ball, so I didn't bother casting many beyond the few dozen that I originally cast.
Bought it off Gunbroker years ago. I think I paid about $75 for it.
An old, original Colt or Remington .36 may have chambers large enough to fit the bullet this mould produces.
Because the mould uses Allen-head screws, I would date it to the 1940s or later. Possibly into the 1960s. Though I have every American Rifleman printed since 1929, an unbroken set, I've yet to see another mould like the one I Have and the one posted here.
Clearly, they're made by the same manufacturer.
There are no makers' marks on it. The only name is stenciled on the wooden handles. An internet search revealed that the handles were made by that firm, and provided to toolmakers around the world.
It's still a puzzler.
And it produces a bullet for which I have no use.
A machinist could remove the heel from each mould cavity, and you'd end up with a nice, light bullet for the .38-55, .375 H&H or .378 Weatherby. Be good for practice at short range, or hunting small game.
Other than this, I can't think of a use for this .36 caliber bullet mould.

May 20, 2013, 01:50 PM	#1
TomADC Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: San Diego County Posts: 795	BP Conical mold? There is a hand engraved 26 on each half appear to be 45 cal? I'm think a BP conocal bullet of some type. __________________ US Navy Retired,NRA Life Member,SASS member, Time magazine's Person of the Year 2006! Last edited by TomADC; May 20, 2013 at 08:00 PM.

May 20, 2013, 02:28 PM	#2
101combatvet Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2011 Posts: 667	Can't see it... post the link. __________________ Special Operations Combat Veteran Gunsmith, BS, MFA, Competitive Shooter NRA Certified Firearms Instructor [9 Certifications]

May 20, 2013, 07:59 PM	#4
TomADC Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: San Diego County Posts: 795	__________________ US Navy Retired,NRA Life Member,SASS member, Time magazine's Person of the Year 2006!

May 20, 2013, 09:01 PM	#5
101combatvet Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2011 Posts: 667	Hard to tell for sure.... if you have a caliper measure the diameter. __________________ Special Operations Combat Veteran Gunsmith, BS, MFA, Competitive Shooter NRA Certified Firearms Instructor [9 Certifications]

May 20, 2013, 10:04 PM	#6
TomADC Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: San Diego County Posts: 795	Not mine he tells me it's .45 cal I've ask for some measurements. __________________ US Navy Retired,NRA Life Member,SASS member, Time magazine's Person of the Year 2006!

May 20, 2013, 06:03 PM	#3
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	I get. You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page.

May 21, 2013, 08:34 AM	#7
TomADC Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: San Diego County Posts: 795	Base miked at .442? now I'm confused. __________________ US Navy Retired,NRA Life Member,SASS member, Time magazine's Person of the Year 2006!

May 21, 2013, 03:53 PM	#9
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	He doesn't have... ...Any bullets that were made with it to measure?! Mebe he'd let you cast some wif it first? __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

May 21, 2013, 05:39 PM	#10
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Probably a ballette rifle mold.

May 22, 2013, 05:31 PM	#11
TomADC Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: San Diego County Posts: 795	So what do you think something like that is worth? He wants to sell but I don't have a idea what its worth. __________________ US Navy Retired,NRA Life Member,SASS member, Time magazine's Person of the Year 2006!

May 22, 2013, 06:02 PM	#12
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	I'm just guessing at around 75.00. Depending on who made it it could be worth more.

May 24, 2013, 01:20 PM	#13
TomADC Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: San Diego County Posts: 795	Just sold for $50 shipped. __________________ US Navy Retired,NRA Life Member,SASS member, Time magazine's Person of the Year 2006!

June 1, 2013, 06:28 PM	#14
Gatofeo Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2004 Location: Remote Utah desert Posts: 224	Wish I'd seen this posting earlier. I have a mould identical to this one, but in .36 caliber. Clearly made for cap and ball revolvers. The bullet design is basically a ball with a heel, to slip into the chamber. Trouble is, the darned heel on soft lead bullets produced by this mould is still slightly too large to slip into any .36 caliber revolver I have. With some fiddling, I've been able to carefully seat some bullets in my Colt 2nd generation 1851 Navy, which has chambers slightly larger than my Pietta or Uberti Colts or Remingtons. I'm down to my last few bullets and haven't fired any in years. As I recall, accuracy was not as good as with a plain ball, so I didn't bother casting many beyond the few dozen that I originally cast. Bought it off Gunbroker years ago. I think I paid about $75 for it. An old, original Colt or Remington .36 may have chambers large enough to fit the bullet this mould produces. Because the mould uses Allen-head screws, I would date it to the 1940s or later. Possibly into the 1960s. Though I have every American Rifleman printed since 1929, an unbroken set, I've yet to see another mould like the one I Have and the one posted here. Clearly, they're made by the same manufacturer. There are no makers' marks on it. The only name is stenciled on the wooden handles. An internet search revealed that the handles were made by that firm, and provided to toolmakers around the world. It's still a puzzler. And it produces a bullet for which I have no use. A machinist could remove the heel from each mould cavity, and you'd end up with a nice, light bullet for the .38-55, .375 H&H or .378 Weatherby. Be good for practice at short range, or hunting small game. Other than this, I can't think of a use for this .36 caliber bullet mould. __________________ "And lo, did I see an ugly cat. Smoke. Brimstone. Holes in parchment. And this ugly cat was much amused." --- The Prophesies of Gatodamus (1503 - 1566)

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