209 primers

thekid25 · April 25, 2011, 10:06 PM

So im looking at buying some cartriges and wax bullets and need to know if i can use any kind of 209 primers in the cartriges?

B.L.E. · April 25, 2011, 10:13 PM

Are these special cartriges designed to be used with 209 primers and wax bullets?
If so, yes, any 209 primer will do.

209 primers are commonly only used for shotshells and muzzleloaders designed for 209 primers.
Most metallic cases use large or small pistol or rifle primers. These are much different than 209 shotshell primers.

thekid25 · April 25, 2011, 10:14 PM

Yes they are and thanks for the input.

Bishop Creek · April 25, 2011, 11:28 PM

Wax bullets, cases and 209 primers:

http://www.waxbullet.com/

B.L.E. · April 26, 2011, 06:04 AM

Interesting. I would use standard 209 primers and not the muzzleloading specific 209 primers.

My understanding is that the muzzleloading specific 209 primers are engineered to produce a less powerfull explosion with a longer lasting flame. Besides, they usually sell for a premium price.

Pahoo · April 26, 2011, 09:39 AM

As an option, you can drill out the caliber you want, say .357 .44mag or .45LC and insert you 209 primer. From there, you can use paraphin or glue stick projectiles. .....

Be Safe !!!

B.L.E. · April 26, 2011, 07:37 PM

Or alternatively, just drill the flash hole oversize and use standard large or small pistol magnum primers. (they are cheaper than 209 primers)

Drilling the flash hole oversize also prevents cylinder jams from the explosion pushing the primer partially out of the primer pocket while allowing the full force of the explosion to drive the wax bullet.

Just be sure to mark these cases some way and not mix them up with your regular cases.

kwhi43 · April 28, 2011, 10:06 AM

Just got my "Spitfire" wax bullets and 45 cases drilled out for the 209 primer.
I have mixed feeling about them so far. Of three different 45's Ruger
Blackhawk, nicked plated Ubertie old one. and new Ubertie Cattleman, the
best is the old about 20 year old Ubertie. The other two jam up when fired.
Also accuracy is right on and better in the old gun. It still is about 5 inches
low at 20 feet. It's right on with real bullets. They are quite a bit more
powerful than just the large pistol primer tho. Not all the wax bullets are the
same size, but when you push them into the case, it sizes them down. Also
the 209 primers just fall into the primer pocket, and fall back out. So when you turn the nice plastic box upside down they come in, all your primers fall
out! Don't like that. I don't think they are all that accurate either. Just some
early testing. Mebby they are OK. Only had them one day. And they are loud.
Too loud to shoot outside. Sounds like a 22. Neighbors jerk up to see what is
going on. Probably call the cops. Just my early thoughts. Forgot, dirty, boy
are the cases dirty after you fire them. Have to wipe them off to reload them.
And I thought Black Powder was dirty. Oh I used Fichocch or something
like that was the brand of primers. Couldn't find RIO or Cheditte.

B.L.E. · April 28, 2011, 09:43 PM

The reason your wax bullets shoot low is because there is no recoil to cause the muzzle to rise as the bullet travels through the barrel.

I get the same problem when shooting .360 roundball loads in my Ruger .357 magnum. They are accurate and pleasant to shoot but they shoot low because there is less muzzle jump and my Ruger Vaquero has non-adjustable sights. This gun is pretty much married to 158 grain bullets because of its non-adjustable sights.

April 25, 2011, 10:06 PM	#1
thekid25 Junior Member Join Date: April 4, 2011 Posts: 5	209 primers So im looking at buying some cartriges and wax bullets and need to know if i can use any kind of 209 primers in the cartriges?

April 25, 2011, 10:13 PM	#2
B.L.E. Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2008 Location: Somewhere on the Southern shore of Lake Travis, TX Posts: 2,603	Are these special cartriges designed to be used with 209 primers and wax bullets? If so, yes, any 209 primer will do. 209 primers are commonly only used for shotshells and muzzleloaders designed for 209 primers. Most metallic cases use large or small pistol or rifle primers. These are much different than 209 shotshell primers. __________________ Hanlon's Razor "Do not invoke conspiracy as explanation when ignorance and incompetence will suffice, as conspiracy implies intelligence and organization."

April 26, 2011, 06:04 AM	#5
B.L.E. Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2008 Location: Somewhere on the Southern shore of Lake Travis, TX Posts: 2,603	Interesting. I would use standard 209 primers and not the muzzleloading specific 209 primers. My understanding is that the muzzleloading specific 209 primers are engineered to produce a less powerfull explosion with a longer lasting flame. Besides, they usually sell for a premium price. __________________ Hanlon's Razor "Do not invoke conspiracy as explanation when ignorance and incompetence will suffice, as conspiracy implies intelligence and organization."

April 26, 2011, 07:37 PM	#7
B.L.E. Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2008 Location: Somewhere on the Southern shore of Lake Travis, TX Posts: 2,603	Or alternatively, just drill the flash hole oversize and use standard large or small pistol magnum primers. (they are cheaper than 209 primers) Drilling the flash hole oversize also prevents cylinder jams from the explosion pushing the primer partially out of the primer pocket while allowing the full force of the explosion to drive the wax bullet. Just be sure to mark these cases some way and not mix them up with your regular cases. __________________ Hanlon's Razor "Do not invoke conspiracy as explanation when ignorance and incompetence will suffice, as conspiracy implies intelligence and organization."

April 28, 2011, 09:43 PM	#9
B.L.E. Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2008 Location: Somewhere on the Southern shore of Lake Travis, TX Posts: 2,603	The reason your wax bullets shoot low is because there is no recoil to cause the muzzle to rise as the bullet travels through the barrel. I get the same problem when shooting .360 roundball loads in my Ruger .357 magnum. They are accurate and pleasant to shoot but they shoot low because there is less muzzle jump and my Ruger Vaquero has non-adjustable sights. This gun is pretty much married to 158 grain bullets because of its non-adjustable sights. __________________ Hanlon's Razor "Do not invoke conspiracy as explanation when ignorance and incompetence will suffice, as conspiracy implies intelligence and organization."

April 25, 2011, 10:14 PM	#3
thekid25 Junior Member Join Date: April 4, 2011 Posts: 5	Yes they are and thanks for the input.

April 25, 2011, 11:28 PM	#4
Bishop Creek Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Posts: 566	Wax bullets, cases and 209 primers: http://www.waxbullet.com/

April 26, 2011, 09:39 AM	#6
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	As an option, you can drill out the caliber you want, say .357 .44mag or .45LC and insert you 209 primer. From there, you can use paraphin or glue stick projectiles. ..... Be Safe !!!

April 28, 2011, 10:06 AM	#8
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	Just got my "Spitfire" wax bullets and 45 cases drilled out for the 209 primer. I have mixed feeling about them so far. Of three different 45's Ruger Blackhawk, nicked plated Ubertie old one. and new Ubertie Cattleman, the best is the old about 20 year old Ubertie. The other two jam up when fired. Also accuracy is right on and better in the old gun. It still is about 5 inches low at 20 feet. It's right on with real bullets. They are quite a bit more powerful than just the large pistol primer tho. Not all the wax bullets are the same size, but when you push them into the case, it sizes them down. Also the 209 primers just fall into the primer pocket, and fall back out. So when you turn the nice plastic box upside down they come in, all your primers fall out! Don't like that. I don't think they are all that accurate either. Just some early testing. Mebby they are OK. Only had them one day. And they are loud. Too loud to shoot outside. Sounds like a 22. Neighbors jerk up to see what is going on. Probably call the cops. Just my early thoughts. Forgot, dirty, boy are the cases dirty after you fire them. Have to wipe them off to reload them. And I thought Black Powder was dirty. Oh I used Fichocch or something like that was the brand of primers. Couldn't find RIO or Cheditte.