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March 7, 2013, 11:48 PM | #126 |
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I think we've gone as far as we can at this point.
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March 8, 2013, 12:08 AM | #127 |
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Why does every one hate the XD grip safety
I don't know about any of you, but I know I don't need a mechanical device to prevent me from shooting myself. If others aren't so sure, then I suppose an XD is what you need.
Keep your booger hook off the bang switch, especially when holstering. Seems simple to me. If you shoot yourself on "accident" it's not the guns fault, it's your fault. |
March 8, 2013, 07:44 AM | #128 |
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Why does every one hate the XD grip safety
Alright, you win. Knives stab and cut people on their own too.
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March 8, 2013, 08:40 AM | #129 | |
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March 8, 2013, 10:27 AM | #130 |
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I don't understand why you can't like 2 things.
There can be (and are) way more than 2 good gun designs. Also, 2 people can disagree without either of them necessarily being wrong. The world is rarely a binary place. Does anybody actually think they're going to convince anyone of anything by getting their panties in a twist on an internet forum?
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March 8, 2013, 11:09 AM | #131 |
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While I don't own one, I think its an excellent idea (and have shot the 1911s with it and felt the same way)
Too bad that its a trigger interlock and not a real safety like S&W offers on the MP series |
March 8, 2013, 12:31 PM | #132 |
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Well, first of all, as you grip (not gripe) the gun to withdraw from the holster, the safety is off anyway. Same for putting it back. So, what's the use?
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March 8, 2013, 12:32 PM | #133 | |
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March 10, 2013, 11:47 AM | #134 |
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+1...that is the right way to holster all autos. |
March 10, 2013, 01:44 PM | #135 |
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Well, it certainly looks like an afterthought to me personally.
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March 10, 2013, 04:23 PM | #136 |
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I could do without it, but its not the real reason I dont buy XD's.
I dont buy XD's because of that annoying LCI sitting right there on top of the slide staring back at me bright red. Its distracting and always catches my eye. It was a nasty surprise for my shooting buddy because its hard to notice it at the store... only after you load it up for the first time, because of course, you cant chamber a round at the store... they frown on that. He tried to sell it to me our first time out because of that... no thanks! |
March 10, 2013, 06:49 PM | #137 | |
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March 10, 2013, 07:37 PM | #138 | |
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March 10, 2013, 07:41 PM | #139 |
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You never see the LCI while sighting and it's on both the XD and the XDm, but as plainly seen, it isn't bright red. I believe that was the point TunnelRat was making.
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March 10, 2013, 08:17 PM | #140 |
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I woulda swore it was red, but your right the LCI isnt red, I'm thinking of the optic front sight.
Either way, neither of us liked it sticking up there. |
March 11, 2013, 02:03 AM | #141 |
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I like the Inherent Accuracy alot in the Springfield poly pistols but I don't like the web of my hand getting snapped underneath the grip safety it happened to me while I was checkin out one in a gunstore it felt unplesant although a very good line of accurate striker fired target pistols.
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March 11, 2013, 08:43 AM | #142 | |
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March 13, 2013, 01:47 AM | #143 |
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I haven't read a single compelling reason why XD owners actually like having the grip safety.
I own 1911's and the grip safety doesn't bother me, nor keep me from shooting the pistol well, or from thoroughly enjoying my ownership of 1911's either. But if I'm being intellectually honest, there is no need for the grip safety. We don't ride horses anymore, (and those of us who do prefer an SAA while riding anyway). A grip safety is superfluous to the design of a firearm. I can't help but wonder why the XD lineup is the only modern handgun to incorporate a grip safety? Either the Croatians are smarter designers than everyone else, or vice versa.
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March 13, 2013, 02:16 AM | #144 |
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Why does every one hate the XD grip safety
There's a lot of superfluous design on XD's. They have an LCI and a striker indicator. I understand why you'd have an LCI (without one, you lose certain markets, and, if you trust it, you can use it to tell if your chamber is loaded both visually and through touch) but the striker indicator is completely superfluous. There's no need to know the condition of the striker if you have an LCI (if LCI is up, the striker must be cocked. If there's no round in the chamber, it doesn't really matter if the striker is cocked or not. Really, it's just a useless "safety feature" that they can point to in a magazine ad to sell guns...kinda like the grip safety.
Though, as we know, some people need that extra mechanical help so they don't shoot themselves...though I'd question whether these people should have guns in the first place. As has been mentioned, none of these features make the gun shoot better, and none really increase the safety beyond people who like to have their finger on the trigger when they holster. They all do, however, increase the complexity of the gun, even if it is marginally. I have nothing against XD's, they're fine guns, but I have to wonder why they made some of the decisions they made. |
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March 13, 2013, 09:52 AM | #146 | |
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Let me point the obvious out to you.
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Options exist out there. Different strokes for different folks. If you don't like it, by all means don't buy it. There's bound to be something out there you will like. But I would hate to live in a world where every firearm was essentially the same thing with a slightly different grip.
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The rules overlap... if someone needs all of that stuff they probably shouldnt have it in the first place.
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