May 1, 2015, 01:38 AM | #1 |
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drawing technique.
What is the proper way to draw from an iwb holster?
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May 1, 2015, 03:39 AM | #2 |
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I'm not sure if you're asking about drawing from concealment or from a "tuck" type IWB holster with the shirt tucked in over the holster. Let's look at the basic presentation from a holster worn at the waist on the dominant side. It works the same for an IWB and an OWB holster.
The goal is to do this smoothly. If one concentrates on being smooth and practice over and over again, he will get fast. Speed comes from smoothness and no wasted motion. And one must be in control at all times. At lot is going on, and a misstep on the presentation can be devastating. But by being smooth you retain control, and by being smooth you become fast. And by being smooth and in control you will be accurate. That's the draw I learned at Gunsite, and it's a pretty standard technique. Here's that five count draw, as taught at Gunsite, being demonstrated by Charlie McNeese, one of the Range Masters (senior instructors) at Gunsite Academy. Here another well respected instructor, Rob Pincus, does it just a little different. Here competitive shooter Max Michel is demonstrating the presentation. He's using competition gear, but the technique is essentially the same.
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Lets' make this simple.
Find the way that is most comfortable and easy for you to clear clothing out of your way and then grip the gun and get it to firing position. And NO, drawing from competition gear is NOT the same as drawing from an everyday carry holster.
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This is basically how it works for me but I don't use IWB very often:
Non-shooting hand reaches around and yanks shirt up. Shooting hand slides over grip with thumb extending next to skin to lift the pistol out of the holster. Fingers wrap around grip as palm settles on backstrap. Trigger finger and thumb fall into position as the pistol clears the holster. I'm using a "super-tuck" type holster to carry a Ruger SP 101 3" and have the gun sitting pretty low inside the waistband. Too low to get my fingers around the grip while still in the holster-quickly anyway. |
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Practice for smoothness. Never mind speed. Be smooth first and speed will follow later. With retention holsters, I recommend practicing the draw at least 1,000 times.
Also practice one and two handed draws. The second or non-dominant hand is for support. However, in very close quarters where you are trying to fend off an assailant, the non-dominant hand may not be available. Hence the necessity for practicing with one hand. BTW, I used to train my guys to draw with the non dominant hand (in case the dominant hand was injured/disabled).
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The 5 count presentation as taught at Gunsite, Front Sight and other schools is just as Frank describes.
Here is the short version as i gave it to students as a reminder during classes 1. Grip 2. Clear 3. Rotate 4. Hands together 5. Extend There are a bunch of fine points in each of those steps to optimize the "stroke". Things like in count 3, the gun should be chest high and level. Ideally, there should be a small outboard cant to the pistol as well. This will aid in the slide not hitting your body or clothing should you need to fire in this position. I think the best way to learn a proper "draw stroke" is under an experienced instructor. There are too many things going on that have to be done correctly in order to learn SAFELY and efficiently. Most of the unintentionall gunshot injuries ive seen have occurred during either the draw or during re-holstering Not a subject to be taken lightly. Last edited by Sharkbite; May 2, 2015 at 06:58 PM. |
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Thanks for the info.
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I might agree that a competition draw can be different than carry draw... Depending on the competition holster and what arena of competition. Practical shooting sports and their rigs should mimic carry draws but I have seen some very skeletonized competition rigs that would not require full upwards stroke upon drawing. But this is a moot point as I doubt there are any specialized competition IWB holsters.
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QUOTE: Originally Posted by TxWheels
Lets' make this simple. Find the way that is most comfortable and easy for you to clear clothing out of your way and then grip the gun and get it to firing position. And NO, drawing from competition gear is NOT the same as drawing from an everyday carry holster. This is bad advice. A 5 step draw or a variation of it is the way to go. The position of the holster may change on a carry rig vs a competition rig but the concept and the technique is the same. QUOTE: This is bad advice. A 5 step draw or a variation of it is the way to go. The position of the holster may change on a carry rig vs a competition rig but the concept and the technique is the same. Well golly gee. I'm sorry but I'm not one of those internet experts like apparently are.
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Many people do not find it comfortable to put their off hand on their chest but not doing so can result in shooting your own hand off. This is one of the reasons why people shooting competition and shooting to defend themselves use a 5 step or variation of the five step draw. This is not about you vs me and who is the expert. It is about giving and getting good safe advice about how to handle guns. IMHO YMMV
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In the videos I've linked to in post 2 we've seen how some recognized expert instructors teach drawing a gun from an ordinary service holster.
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"... not doing so can result in shooting your own hand off."
Did people shoot their hands off before this technique began to be taught? |
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Yes.
Many of the lessons taught at gun schools were lessons written in the blood of good people who were teaching themselves what to do, figuring it out on their own because 'how hard could it be?' The most common place that people shoot themselves is either in the right leg or the left hand. That would be because many right-handed shooters have no idea how to safely draw the gun, safely reholster it, or safely handle the firearm without getting their left hand in front of the muzzle. As an instructor, I spend a lot of my time pointing these things out to good people who honestly don't realize what they have just done dangerously. People put their hands in front of the freaking muzzle all the time without realizing it. When someone else points it out, they are bewildered, and grateful. The injuries from shooting a hand range from mild -- a simple through and through of the meat -- to lifelong crippling. "Degloving" is such a wonderfully descriptive word... pax |
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Should add: left handed shooters shoot themselves in the left leg or right hand. But only around 5% of shooters shoot lefty, so those injuries are much less common. (Roughly 12% of people are lefties, but more than half of those choose to shoot right handed for various reasons.)
Also see https://tacticalprofessor.wordpress....lf-by-accident Or Google keywords: shot myself in hand holster Or: shot myself in leg holster Or: shot myself handgun pax |
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Thank you. I am so glad I read this thread. To others reading this, make sure the click the link pax gave us. You may not like it but it'll do you good.
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