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September 30, 2012, 02:29 PM | #26 | |
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What was he doing going to the neighbors house with a gun. He should have rang the police. Going to the neighbors house should have being a last resort.
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As far as the original question. It's hard to identify masked persons--that's the point of a mask. I think that the best lesson this scenario teaches is that you shouldn't force a confrontation if you don't have to. It's one thing to look stupid if you call the cops over a raccoon, but that doesn't compare to shooting someone when you could have avoided it.
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September 30, 2012, 08:12 PM | #31 |
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Right, but again this situation involved the father going next door at the request of the frightened neighbor, who was not only known to him but also a relative.
I would have done the same, but would have had the neighbor/sister call 911, too. This situation was really a no-win for the father. I am normally one of the choir who say to hole up in a safe place, weapon ready, while keeping open comms with the 911 dispatcher. However, this won't work in all circumstances. For instance, next spring if all goes well I'll be a first-time father. The baby will have its own room as soon as practical, as that is the advice being given to new parents these days. This means that at some point next year, any bump in the night larger than what a toddler would make will require movement on my part, at least enough to take a position covering the stairs (since our bedroom and the child's will be on the second floor). Luckily, our house is set up in such a way that I can control a chokepoint. On the other hand, at some point in the future one of my parents or one of my wife's may end up moving in with us. (We assume this will be the case with the survivor of the first one to pass, but that should still be some years off.) At that point, we'll have a kid in an upstairs bedroom, and an elderly person downstairs. I will no longer be able to simply stay up at the upper landing to the staircase, if I suspect an intrusion. Some situations don't lend themselves to calling 911 and sitting still. |
September 30, 2012, 08:23 PM | #32 |
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Common sense. Lacking it can get you killed. If in 15 years the father hadn't explained to his son why creeping around in black with your face covered at night is a bad idea then the blame lies on him as well. And at 15 even my dumb [self] knew this was a bad idea. Kid HAD to have been up to no good if you ask me.
Am I just heartless? I really can't feel bad for stupid people. Everyone I know understands that kicking down my door or breaking a window at my apartment is a REALLY bad decision. I make that clear. Edit: I'm sure I'll catch flak for this, let the poo flinging begin.
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I am from CT just not that area. I have heard that 2 days before a woman walked in on a robbery in progress and was brutally beaten and raped. So the entire town was on edge
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Just like the father could have stayed inside and told the neighbor/relative to call the police. It's true that people sometimes do things that are tactically unwise because they feel obligated to do so, but that doesn't eliminate the tactically sound option, it just makes it less attractive to them in the short term.
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JohnKSa, we have to disagree on this one.
If I hear something downstairs that sounds like a threat, and I know my mother is down there, then staying upstairs and guarding the landing becomes my wife's job. (She has a gun of her own.) Unfortunately, due to bad knees, etc, there will not be any way to consolidate all loved ones in one part of the house. (My mother and my wife's father have a very hard time with stairs.) This is a fairly common problem, and one that people might want to consider when laying out their homes. |
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Let me just say this, and I'm inviting a WORLD of poo on myself here but here goes.
OC spray, I've been hit with it to get certified for an armed security job which I ended up not taking. It SUCKS and is almost immediately debilitating. I'm no chump and it brought me to my knees for about 15 minutes. I'd honestly rather be shot or tazed or beaten or blown up, OC is the most miserable experience I can imagine next to having your fingernails ripped out. If you know how to use it right it's 99.999 percent effective. Then again if you're dealing with an individual armed with a gun it's usually better to bring your own. You can never have too many tools at your disposal though.
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I can understand why you may feel that you must go downstairs--I'm not even saying that I wouldn't go downstairs if I were in your place. I'm just pointing out that no one is actually forcing you to do so. Look, when things go sour, you may very well go downstairs after considering the situation. But you should make that decision then, based on the circumstances. It's a mistake to rule out options at this point--especially tactically sound options.
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It could be your dad figured you already had the sense not to do this. |
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Edit: ditto what wayneinFL said, by both my father and grandfather
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I think we all have a sneaking suspicion what Jr. was up to.
And I don't consider this a "no-win". The father could have stayed inside and called the police. The "bad-guy" was still outside of the females house. I'd be interested to see if there were other reports in their neighborhood of a masked prowler. |
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I think more people would be backing this guy up if he had shot a BG that wasn't his flesh and blood but was confirmed to be a serial rapist and sometimes murderer.
Blaming this guy is wrong and basically couch potato monday mrng quarterbacking. He tried to do the right thing. He probably received an extremely frantic phonecall...most women and people know many times these frantic calls are happening while the woman is shot dead. At any rate, one would have to ask the dad what his thoughts were when he pulled the trigger. I guess he feared for his life, but I am sure he is monday mrng quarterbacking it himself. This doesn't change the outcome.
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http://www.newstimes.com/policerepor...on-3902162.php ALL of the legal aspects for self defense are covered. It does not matter that the bad guy was outside the female's house because he posed a threat to the good guy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1925224.html As for reports of a masked prowler in the neighborhood recently, nothing shows up in the local newspaper's police blotter.
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I understand what John is saying about 'choices'.
Naturally, most everything we consciously do is done by our own choice to do so. I also understand that there are circumstances in which I will inject myself into a situation that some may question. If my family is involved and there is an incident the same as the one the OP started this thread over. You can bet I'll be there for that family member(s). The scenario MLeake referred to with having an elderly relative downstairs. I was in that situation for twelve years with my father and you can bet if an intruder would have got into the house downstairs, I would do what I had to to protect dad. These ARE 'choices' that I would have made but I don't think they are wrong choices but are more normal choices and I believe most would do the same. Has it been confirmed that the neighbor was in fact the shooters sister? If so, under the same 'known' circumstances, I would have done the same as this dad did. Armed myself and headed straight next door to her house. My intentions would have been get into her house and stay with her till LEO arrived or escort her back to my house depending on if my family was there alone and wait on LEO. Many years ago, the ex and I lived next door to an elderly lady(Mrs. Bishop) in which we became very fond of. At least once a month, in the wee hours of the morning, Mrs.Bishop called our house reporting noises she had heard outside or saw somebody looking in her window or smelled electrical wiring burning, etc. Mrs. Bishop knew all the local LEO's on a first name bases and I nor LEO ever found a sign of any problem. She spent many nights with us as we figured she just got scared at night. Whatever her reason for calling, I always asked her if her doors were locked and told her to turn all inside and outside lights on and we did the same before I went over there. |
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The father mistook the urge to "do something" for "do something NOW". Stay inside. Call 911. Say "Suspect Present".
I also bet he didn't head over to her house to enter the door, but to sweep the exterior of the house and find the prowler. |
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there are pros and cons to everything. personally, I don't want the light
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