FN Scar 16s vs FS2000 - Page 2

The Long Shot · September 21, 2012, 07:24 PM

For the amount of money you can do better. The fs2000 has a nasty habit of jamming from my experience. For the same price of a SCAR you could build an AR-15 type rifle that shoots under .5 MOA with all of the features you like on a scar.

10mmAuto · September 22, 2012, 02:08 AM

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SCAR you could build an AR-15 type rifle that shoots under .5 MOA with all of the features you like on a scar.

Short stroke gas piston operation, a MRBS 3-4 times lower than an M4 and a folding stock?

Love my AR-15, but it will never be a Scar and a Scar will never be my AR-15.

The Long Shot · September 22, 2012, 03:53 PM

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Short stroke gas piston operation, a MRBS 3-4 times lower than an M4 and a folding stock?

Love my AR-15, but it will never be a Scar and a Scar will never be my AR-15.

Look At a p415, 9,000 rounds full auto without cleaning or lubrication and no gun related failures. There is a side folding stock adapter for the ar-15. I have also seen them fire filled with mud, sand, and water without any failures personally.

By no means am I saying that the scar is bad, or that the ar is better, i just think that it is overpriced. I'd buy another scar if the price was lowered to around 1200-1500.

I really don't want to start a scar vs ar debate, this is a scar vs fs2000 thread and the scar wins.

WLJ · September 24, 2012, 04:43 PM

For those complaining about the FS2000's trigger try this, helps alot.

Neu-Trigger for FN FS2000
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308034169

Sturmgewehre · September 26, 2012, 01:53 PM

Owning both for several years and shooting them extensively, the SCAR is the better overall rifle.

The FS2000 is interesting and fun to shoot, however it has some areas of concern from my perspective.

First, it's a sealed system. That means the rifle's defense against hostile environments is to be sealed as best as it can be to the elements. This design philosophy is at the root of all the problems I see with the design.

The rifle ejects out the front. This is a novel idea that deals with the problem of shooting the rifle either left or right handed without having to swap out bolts or worrying about where brass is being ejected. However, the shuttle system used to move spent cases up from the chamber and line them up to be pushed down a long ejection chute can be problematic.

Since the rifle lacks a conventional ejection port, if you get a malfunction (and they do happen) you don't have a large hole on the side of the receiver by which you can access the inner workings of the rifle to clear the malfunction. This goes back to the sealed system I spoke of earlier. To give the operator access to the chamber area for clearing the weapon they incorporated a plastic flip-up cover. The cover is rather flimsy in construction I wouldn't expect it to hold up to much abuse. The bigger problem is that the shuttle obstructs easy access to the chamber even with the top cover up. Here's a picture of what I'm talking about.

That's the chamber nestled down in action. The white device you see is the shuttle used to ferry the spent cases up and out of the rifle.

Here's a shoot looking down through the top cover:

As you can imagine, clearing malfunctions can be a bit challenging. I've found that to clear malfunctions you must remove the magazine, flip open the top cover and shake the rifle right-side-up, up-side-down, left and right. Eventually, if things aren't too jammed up, the problem round/case will fall out of the action. If you get a round trying to go in the chamber and a failure to eject through the chute, now you have a bigger problem. You'll need a stick or similar device to poke things, or you'll have to field strip the rifle to get the problem cleared.

The other issue that I've seen people mention in this thread is the fact it doesn't accept anything but GI contract magazines or mags that copy the profile perfectly. You can remove the wipes inside the magazine well and it will then accept other mags, but now you've broken the seal on the system and allow for the ingress of debris. Debris and the FS2000 don't play well together... it causes malfunctions. The malfunctions can be troublesome to clear if they're severe (see above).

The rifles aren't all that accurate. With my rifle I'm lucky to get 2 MOA out of it with optics. It's not horrible, but for a super modern rifle I would expect at least AR15 type accuracy with good ammo. With mine, that's not the case.

I've found the SCAR's I own to be far better suited to regular use. They use a conventional design that is robust and easy to use. The SCAR is also quite accurate despite the thin barrel. Given a choice between the two, I would take the SCAR without hesitation.

View Poll Results: SCAR or FS2000?
SCAR	36	80.00%
FS2000	9	20.00%
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September 24, 2012, 04:43 PM	#29
WLJ Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 141	For those complaining about the FS2000's trigger try this, helps alot. Neu-Trigger for FN FS2000 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308034169 __________________ “The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.” William Shakespeare

September 26, 2012, 01:53 PM	#30
Sturmgewehre Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 4,212	Owning both for several years and shooting them extensively, the SCAR is the better overall rifle. The FS2000 is interesting and fun to shoot, however it has some areas of concern from my perspective. First, it's a sealed system. That means the rifle's defense against hostile environments is to be sealed as best as it can be to the elements. This design philosophy is at the root of all the problems I see with the design. The rifle ejects out the front. This is a novel idea that deals with the problem of shooting the rifle either left or right handed without having to swap out bolts or worrying about where brass is being ejected. However, the shuttle system used to move spent cases up from the chamber and line them up to be pushed down a long ejection chute can be problematic. Since the rifle lacks a conventional ejection port, if you get a malfunction (and they do happen) you don't have a large hole on the side of the receiver by which you can access the inner workings of the rifle to clear the malfunction. This goes back to the sealed system I spoke of earlier. To give the operator access to the chamber area for clearing the weapon they incorporated a plastic flip-up cover. The cover is rather flimsy in construction I wouldn't expect it to hold up to much abuse. The bigger problem is that the shuttle obstructs easy access to the chamber even with the top cover up. Here's a picture of what I'm talking about. That's the chamber nestled down in action. The white device you see is the shuttle used to ferry the spent cases up and out of the rifle. Here's a shoot looking down through the top cover: As you can imagine, clearing malfunctions can be a bit challenging. I've found that to clear malfunctions you must remove the magazine, flip open the top cover and shake the rifle right-side-up, up-side-down, left and right. Eventually, if things aren't too jammed up, the problem round/case will fall out of the action. If you get a round trying to go in the chamber and a failure to eject through the chute, now you have a bigger problem. You'll need a stick or similar device to poke things, or you'll have to field strip the rifle to get the problem cleared. The other issue that I've seen people mention in this thread is the fact it doesn't accept anything but GI contract magazines or mags that copy the profile perfectly. You can remove the wipes inside the magazine well and it will then accept other mags, but now you've broken the seal on the system and allow for the ingress of debris. Debris and the FS2000 don't play well together... it causes malfunctions. The malfunctions can be troublesome to clear if they're severe (see above). The rifles aren't all that accurate. With my rifle I'm lucky to get 2 MOA out of it with optics. It's not horrible, but for a super modern rifle I would expect at least AR15 type accuracy with good ammo. With mine, that's not the case. I've found the SCAR's I own to be far better suited to regular use. They use a conventional design that is robust and easy to use. The SCAR is also quite accurate despite the thin barrel. Given a choice between the two, I would take the SCAR without hesitation. __________________ Visit my YouTube channel for reviews, tests and more. Ex Mea Sententia

September 21, 2012, 07:24 PM	#26
The Long Shot Member Join Date: September 21, 2012 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 77	For the amount of money you can do better. The fs2000 has a nasty habit of jamming from my experience. For the same price of a SCAR you could build an AR-15 type rifle that shoots under .5 MOA with all of the features you like on a scar.