Name this bayonet.

7jinxed7 · September 9, 2009, 09:05 PM

Not sure what it is.No readable names just a couple of numbers you can half way read.

the rifleer · September 9, 2009, 09:14 PM

Looks to me like a swiss bayonet. not sure what model, but it looks like it would fit my k31...

7jinxed7 · September 9, 2009, 09:20 PM

Huh. It's rough whatever it is. It's pretty long too,it could be used as sword instead of a knife.I haven't measured but it's easily over 12" probably getting closer to 18" or so.

7jinxed7 · September 9, 2009, 09:22 PM

Here's another photo.[IMG]

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2amencw · September 9, 2009, 10:24 PM

I believe it is an early mauser model. not sure for which rifle. An uncle of mine brought one back from WW1 that he grabbed off of a dead German. Do a search for Mauser bayonets of WW1 and something is bound to pop up.

Buzzcook · September 10, 2009, 12:46 AM

This could be one of several bayonets, pre-WWII

Maybe a British 1907 but I'm not sure.

At any rate get some bass wool or fine steel wool and machine oil to clean the rust off. Don't sharpen it.

armsmaster270 · September 10, 2009, 12:51 AM

The slot looks like it would even fit a garand Might be for a Springfield bolt action.

Homer2 · September 10, 2009, 07:28 AM

100% certain that is a British Model 1907 Enfield Bayo for the No1 MkIII. Poor condition, $15-20. Hard to read the date, the '31' would indicate some sort of rework in 1931. Generally they are dated with the month and year, (9 17) and have the maker name on the other side.

http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/brit_bayo.html

7jinxed7 · September 10, 2009, 11:31 AM

Thanks for the info Homer2.You are absolutely right.I found some matching photos. http://arms2armor.com/Bayonets/brit1907.htm

BillCA · September 10, 2009, 01:18 PM

Enfield was my guess based on the latch mechanism. The U.S. used a somewhat different latching system. That bayonet is probably between 18-20 inches long.

The bayonet was likely made before 1925. After WW-II most of the Generals were convinced that long bayonets were outdated, unwieldly in forest or jungle applications (especially when attached to long field rifles) and hard for soliders to carry. Around 1928 many military units went to shorter 8"-10" bayonets.¹

Long bayonets like these are hard to come by and often collectable if they are clean and in good shape. Do not sharpen and carefully remove the rust from the blade. Kroil® might help loosen much of the rust.

¹ IIRC, a study by the Brits around 1921/22 found that a soldier's typical thrust range was about 10-12". Longer bayonets risked full penetration on a charging enemy and it could be difficult to remove from an opponent falling down. 8 inches would penetrate great coats and uniform with enough length for a fatal wound but also allow a solider to withdraw it easily.

7jinxed7 · September 10, 2009, 05:05 PM

I looked at this bayonet closer. It's 17"blade and 213/4" long. If you look real close just to the right of the 5 31 their is a very faint 6927 with a faint 7 directly under the 6.Does anybody know if that is a serial number?I'm going to see if I can get some of the rust off maybe their will be a few more readable markings.

BillCA,you mentioned using Kroil to remove the rust.I'm not familiar with that.Can I buy it a my local hardware store?Or is this a gun store product?

mp25ds4 · September 10, 2009, 06:51 PM

no. 1 mkIII enfield bayonet, 35-40$

bamacisa · September 12, 2009, 11:20 AM

It is a Lee Enfield No1 Mk3 bayonet.

Chris_B · September 12, 2009, 12:20 PM

I hereby name that bayonet "Howard"

James K · September 12, 2009, 09:02 PM

It is a British Pattern 1907 bayonet, but it has been rebuilt, maybe more than once. The scale screws are reversed; the slot heads should be on the right.

It may have been made in England, or about anywhere else where the rifles were made (India, Pakistan, Australia) and could have seen use about anywhere in the British Empire. As the old saying goes, "if it could talk", but without speech it is not worth much in dollar terms.

(Edited to change "M1907" to "Pattern 1907". I do know better, but it was late at night.)

Jim

September 9, 2009, 09:05 PM	#1
7jinxed7 Senior Member Join Date: June 3, 2009 Location: no where Posts: 352	Name this bayonet. Not sure what it is.No readable names just a couple of numbers you can half way read.

September 9, 2009, 09:22 PM	#4
7jinxed7 Senior Member Join Date: June 3, 2009 Location: no where Posts: 352	Here's another photo.[IMG][/IMG]

September 9, 2009, 10:24 PM	#5
2amencw Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2008 Posts: 143	bayonet I believe it is an early mauser model. not sure for which rifle. An uncle of mine brought one back from WW1 that he grabbed off of a dead German. Do a search for Mauser bayonets of WW1 and something is bound to pop up.

September 10, 2009, 12:51 AM	#7
armsmaster270 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2008 Location: California Posts: 1,951	The slot looks like it would even fit a garand Might be for a Springfield bolt action. __________________ http://www.armsmaster.net-a.googlepages.com http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/f...aster270/Guns/ Retired LE, M.P., Sr. M.P. Investigator F.B.I. Trained Rangemaster/Firearms Instructor & Armorer, Presently Forensic Document Examiner for D.H.S.

September 10, 2009, 01:18 PM	#10
BillCA Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, Ca Posts: 7,117	Enfield was my guess based on the latch mechanism. The U.S. used a somewhat different latching system. That bayonet is probably between 18-20 inches long. The bayonet was likely made before 1925. After WW-II most of the Generals were convinced that long bayonets were outdated, unwieldly in forest or jungle applications (especially when attached to long field rifles) and hard for soliders to carry. Around 1928 many military units went to shorter 8"-10" bayonets.¹ Long bayonets like these are hard to come by and often collectable if they are clean and in good shape. Do not sharpen and carefully remove the rust from the blade. Kroil® might help loosen much of the rust. ¹ IIRC, a study by the Brits around 1921/22 found that a soldier's typical thrust range was about 10-12". Longer bayonets risked full penetration on a charging enemy and it could be difficult to remove from an opponent falling down. 8 inches would penetrate great coats and uniform with enough length for a fatal wound but also allow a solider to withdraw it easily. __________________ BillCA in CA (Unfortunately)

September 9, 2009, 09:14 PM	#2
the rifleer Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2008 Location: Sunny California Posts: 1,281	Looks to me like a swiss bayonet. not sure what model, but it looks like it would fit my k31...

September 9, 2009, 09:20 PM	#3
7jinxed7 Senior Member Join Date: June 3, 2009 Location: no where Posts: 352	Huh. It's rough whatever it is. It's pretty long too,it could be used as sword instead of a knife.I haven't measured but it's easily over 12" probably getting closer to 18" or so.

September 10, 2009, 12:46 AM	#6
Buzzcook Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2007 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 6,126	This could be one of several bayonets, pre-WWII Maybe a British 1907 but I'm not sure. At any rate get some bass wool or fine steel wool and machine oil to clean the rust off. Don't sharpen it.

September 10, 2009, 07:28 AM	#8
Homer2 Junior Member Join Date: December 8, 2008 Posts: 11	100% certain that is a British Model 1907 Enfield Bayo for the No1 MkIII. Poor condition, $15-20. Hard to read the date, the '31' would indicate some sort of rework in 1931. Generally they are dated with the month and year, (9 17) and have the maker name on the other side. http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/brit_bayo.html

September 10, 2009, 11:31 AM	#9
7jinxed7 Senior Member Join Date: June 3, 2009 Location: no where Posts: 352	Thanks for the info Homer2.You are absolutely right.I found some matching photos. http://arms2armor.com/Bayonets/brit1907.htm

September 10, 2009, 05:05 PM	#11
7jinxed7 Senior Member Join Date: June 3, 2009 Location: no where Posts: 352	I looked at this bayonet closer. It's 17"blade and 213/4" long. If you look real close just to the right of the 5 31 their is a very faint 6927 with a faint 7 directly under the 6.Does anybody know if that is a serial number?I'm going to see if I can get some of the rust off maybe their will be a few more readable markings. BillCA,you mentioned using Kroil to remove the rust.I'm not familiar with that.Can I buy it a my local hardware store?Or is this a gun store product? Last edited by 7jinxed7; September 11, 2009 at 06:30 AM.

September 10, 2009, 06:51 PM	#12
mp25ds4 Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2009 Posts: 392	no. 1 mkIII enfield bayonet, 35-40$ __________________ Liberal Newscaster Katie Couric, while interviewing a Marine sniper, asked: 'What do you feel.....when you shoot a Terrorist?' The Marine shrugged and replied, "A Slight Recoil."

September 12, 2009, 11:20 AM	#13
bamacisa Member Join Date: February 13, 2008 Posts: 50	It is a Lee Enfield No1 Mk3 bayonet.

September 12, 2009, 12:20 PM	#14
Chris_B Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2007 Posts: 3,101	Name that bayonet? I hereby name that bayonet "Howard"

September 12, 2009, 09:02 PM	#15
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	It is a British Pattern 1907 bayonet, but it has been rebuilt, maybe more than once. The scale screws are reversed; the slot heads should be on the right. It may have been made in England, or about anywhere else where the rifles were made (India, Pakistan, Australia) and could have seen use about anywhere in the British Empire. As the old saying goes, "if it could talk", but without speech it is not worth much in dollar terms. (Edited to change "M1907" to "Pattern 1907". I do know better, but it was late at night.) Jim Last edited by James K; September 14, 2009 at 03:35 PM.

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