Cincinnati Police Officer Shoots Himself

tipoc · January 5, 2015, 10:22 PM

Here is the video of a Cincinnati who unintentionally shot himself with what looks to be a S&W Shield.

http://abc7.com/news/video-off-duty-...omach-/462531/

tipoc

lyodbraun · January 5, 2015, 10:47 PM

Just saw this on the news, Im Not sure why he felt the need to pull the weapon out ? Was it to show off ? Or just hey look I have a gun

either way dumb move on his part... ESP being a officer... Glad he was ok and no one else was hurt in this mishap...

tipoc · January 5, 2015, 10:54 PM

He was not showing the gun off. He is with his wife. You can see that he is not showing the gun to her.

He was moving the gun from his pants pocket (or holster) to his coat pocket. But he was trying to open his pocket with his one hand that is holding the gun, while carrying on a conversation and trying to do this before the elevator door opened at the next floor. The gun has no external safety and his finger pulled the trigger.

tipoc

lefty60 · January 5, 2015, 10:58 PM

Looks to me like a case of "Stupid in Public"!

I would recommend remedial firearms training, before being allowed back on active duty.

hartcreek · January 6, 2015, 12:32 AM

Gotta agree with Lefty on this one.

GaryED50 · January 6, 2015, 12:46 AM

Glad he's going to be ok

peggysue · January 6, 2015, 12:59 AM

FIREARM Accidents happen to COPs, Solders, private citizens, and thugs. At least this was not fatal.

**Tom Servo** · January 6, 2015, 01:15 AM

Quote:

FIREARM Accidents happen to COPs, Solders, private citizens, and thugs.

This wasn't an accident. It was negligence. He had no reason to remove the gun from its holster, much less be playing with it while he was doing something else.

Kosh75287 · January 6, 2015, 03:41 AM

+ 1 on what Lefty60 said. But I think it MAY actually rise to a case of AGGRAVATED stupidity in a No-Stupidity Zone, to wit: Public Conveyance.

I'd need a REAL attorney to be sure, though. I'M just a "keyboard attorney".

**Aguila Blanca** · January 6, 2015, 06:19 AM

"I am the only one in this room professional enough to carry this Glock Fowtay ..."

2damnold4this · January 6, 2015, 07:37 AM

I hope he is oik and gets a chance to learn from his mistake.

madmo44mag · January 6, 2015, 08:15 AM

OK, if the gun was holstered why would it need to be moved?
If the gun was in his paints pocket, why was it not holstered?
If it was easier to draw from a coat pocket, why was it holstered or carried in his pants pocket?
The list goes on guys.
Bottom line “Stupid in public”

Deaf Smith · January 6, 2015, 08:51 AM

A safe gun is a HOLSTERED gun. When CCWing keep it there.

He had no call to mess with it. Fortunately he didn't kill is wife or any other unfortunate soul that would have been there (or if the door opened they would have been shot as they entered.)

Been packing CCW for 20 years using 1911, SIG traditional DA/SA, S&W 3ed Gen, Kahr, Glock, various revolvers and never had an ND/AD. And yes packed the 1911 cocked and locked, the Kahr K9 has a very light but long trigger, my Glocks have NY-1/3.5 lb connectors, and of course the revolves are revolvers.

Plus 30+ years of IPSC and IDPA and no ND/AD as well as 40+ years of hunting.

Once I leave the house the gun stays where it is in the holster.

And of course, KYFFOTFT.

Oh, and I've heard of several cops, even chiefs, shooting themselves with their guns. The more you handle the gun, especially fully loaded ones you are carrying, the more chance you will make a mistake.

This guy made that mistake. Learn from him.

A safe gun is a holstered gun!

Deaf

Double Naught Spy · January 6, 2015, 09:38 AM

I have now read varying reports of him either adjusting his shirt, pocketing the pistol in the coat, to drawing the gun for walking out to the car. It has also been claimed by the police chief that the bullet hit him after ricocheting in the elevator before striking him.

I went through frame by frame and when he yanks the gun away, you can see the spent case eject. At the time, his index finder appears to be on the slide and the coat appears to follow the gun away from the body like it was somehow entangled with the gun/hand.

In looking at the before and after images of the elevator walls, floor, and door, I can't see any new marks to indicate a ricochet. Especially if it hit the stainless steel walls, there would be significant changes to the surface. Maybe somebody with better video analysis capabilities and show me where the ricochet occurred? Otherwise, I am not believing it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6420688.html

garryc · January 6, 2015, 10:54 AM

A lesson, keep your booger picker off the trigger. Don't fumble around with yor gun, don't be distracted. You can't see where his fingers are at the moment of discharge, just them fumbling around as he tries to put it in his pocket.

JERRYS. · January 6, 2015, 11:21 AM

does this constitute as a one shot stop? I mean he did stop doing whatever he was doing and crumpled up.

Snyper · January 6, 2015, 11:37 AM

This is one instance where a 25 acp would have been a better carry weapon

tipoc · January 6, 2015, 12:12 PM

I'm not sure it matters to us why he decided to move the gun. Maybe a good reason or bad, we can guess at it but don't know yet. It was his decision to do it with one hand while holding a package, carrying on a conversation, in a public elevator into a pocket that was hard to get open that seems to me the questionable actions.

Of course there are different versions of what the bullet did. there has not been time to verify yet. No official report. Does it matter if the bullet did the damage or a piece of shrapnel? Either way the gentleman shot himself and will join the immortals of videodom (or videodumb) as a result.

Yep. a OSS. Add it to the statistics.

tipoc

johnwilliamson062 · January 6, 2015, 05:21 PM

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to drawing the gun for walking out to the car.

I spoke with an officer once who carried a j frame in his pocket w/o holster and finger on trigger during all traffic stops. Apparently muzzling those he stopped without regard for safety.

Double Naught Spy · January 6, 2015, 05:31 PM

Booger hook not on bang switch. Booger hook on slide.

Deaf Smith · January 6, 2015, 05:44 PM

Well I doubt it fired by itself.

SOMETHING caught in the trigger guard and fired it.

Maybe one of his other fingers.

Deaf

tipoc · January 6, 2015, 06:02 PM

How much difference does it make if it was his finger or a coat button that got jammed inside the trigger guard? Is he less responsible if it's a button?

tipoc

James K · January 6, 2015, 06:13 PM

There was a poster on another site who advocated removing the safety on SA autos and carrying at full cock Claimed he could never make a mistake since he was perfect in all respects! Maybe that cop is his cousin.

Jim

Deaf Smith · January 6, 2015, 06:27 PM

Well if the cop had a HOLSTER and KEPT IT IN THE HOLSTER then yea, a SA with no safety would work.

Some learn early in life a safe gun is a holstered one, others wave them around till something goes wrong, then if they survive they get a holster.

I bet this cop will keep it holstered next time, if he is still a cop.

Deaf

Double Naught Spy · January 6, 2015, 07:28 PM

Quote:

How much difference does it make if it was his finger or a coat button that got jammed inside the trigger guard? Is he less responsible if it's a button?

Nope, negligence is negligence. But proclaiming it is his finger when his finger is shown on the slide is just a bit silly.

January 5, 2015, 10:22 PM	#1
tipoc Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Location: Redwood City, Ca. Posts: 4,114	Cincinnati Police Officer Shoots Himself Here is the video of a Cincinnati who unintentionally shot himself with what looks to be a S&W Shield. http://abc7.com/news/video-off-duty-...omach-/462531/ tipoc

January 6, 2015, 03:41 AM	#9
Kosh75287 Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 820	A case of stupidity in public + 1 on what Lefty60 said. But I think it MAY actually rise to a case of AGGRAVATED stupidity in a No-Stupidity Zone, to wit: Public Conveyance. I'd need a REAL attorney to be sure, though. I'M just a "keyboard attorney".

January 6, 2015, 08:15 AM	#12
madmo44mag Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2008 Location: Ft.Worth, Texas Posts: 1,522	OK, if the gun was holstered why would it need to be moved? If the gun was in his paints pocket, why was it not holstered? If it was easier to draw from a coat pocket, why was it holstered or carried in his pants pocket? The list goes on guys. Bottom line “Stupid in public” __________________ Texas - Not just a state but an attitude! For monthly shooting events in DFW visit http://www.meetup.com/TexasGunOwner-DFW

January 6, 2015, 08:51 AM	#13
Deaf Smith Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2000 Location: Texican! Posts: 4,453	A safe gun is a HOLSTERED gun. When CCWing keep it there. He had no call to mess with it. Fortunately he didn't kill is wife or any other unfortunate soul that would have been there (or if the door opened they would have been shot as they entered.) Been packing CCW for 20 years using 1911, SIG traditional DA/SA, S&W 3ed Gen, Kahr, Glock, various revolvers and never had an ND/AD. And yes packed the 1911 cocked and locked, the Kahr K9 has a very light but long trigger, my Glocks have NY-1/3.5 lb connectors, and of course the revolves are revolvers. Plus 30+ years of IPSC and IDPA and no ND/AD as well as 40+ years of hunting. Once I leave the house the gun stays where it is in the holster. And of course, KYFFOTFT. Oh, and I've heard of several cops, even chiefs, shooting themselves with their guns. The more you handle the gun, especially fully loaded ones you are carrying, the more chance you will make a mistake. This guy made that mistake. Learn from him. A safe gun is a holstered gun! Deaf __________________ “To you who call yourselves ‘men of peace,’ I say, you are not safe without men of action by your side” Thucydides

January 6, 2015, 09:38 AM	#14
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	I have now read varying reports of him either adjusting his shirt, pocketing the pistol in the coat, to drawing the gun for walking out to the car. It has also been claimed by the police chief that the bullet hit him after ricocheting in the elevator before striking him. I went through frame by frame and when he yanks the gun away, you can see the spent case eject. At the time, his index finder appears to be on the slide and the coat appears to follow the gun away from the body like it was somehow entangled with the gun/hand. In looking at the before and after images of the elevator walls, floor, and door, I can't see any new marks to indicate a ricochet. Especially if it hit the stainless steel walls, there would be significant changes to the surface. Maybe somebody with better video analysis capabilities and show me where the ricochet occurred? Otherwise, I am not believing it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6420688.html __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

January 5, 2015, 10:47 PM	#2
lyodbraun Member Join Date: January 4, 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 90	Just saw this on the news, Im Not sure why he felt the need to pull the weapon out ? Was it to show off ? Or just hey look I have a gun either way dumb move on his part... ESP being a officer... Glad he was ok and no one else was hurt in this mishap...

January 5, 2015, 10:54 PM	#3
tipoc Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Location: Redwood City, Ca. Posts: 4,114	He was not showing the gun off. He is with his wife. You can see that he is not showing the gun to her. He was moving the gun from his pants pocket (or holster) to his coat pocket. But he was trying to open his pocket with his one hand that is holding the gun, while carrying on a conversation and trying to do this before the elevator door opened at the next floor. The gun has no external safety and his finger pulled the trigger. tipoc

January 5, 2015, 10:58 PM	#4
lefty60 Member Join Date: October 13, 2008 Posts: 18	Looks to me like a case of "Stupid in Public"! I would recommend remedial firearms training, before being allowed back on active duty.

January 6, 2015, 12:32 AM	#5
hartcreek Junior member Join Date: April 22, 2014 Location: Washington Posts: 1,549	Gotta agree with Lefty on this one.

January 6, 2015, 12:46 AM	#6
GaryED50 Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2012 Location: Dawsonville Georgia Posts: 542	Glad he's going to be ok

January 6, 2015, 12:59 AM	#7
peggysue Junior member Join Date: May 20, 2014 Posts: 1,835	FIREARM Accidents happen to COPs, Solders, private citizens, and thugs. At least this was not fatal.

January 6, 2015, 06:19 AM	#10
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,467	"I am the only one in this room professional enough to carry this Glock Fowtay ..."

January 6, 2015, 07:37 AM	#11
2damnold4this Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2009 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 2,526	I hope he is oik and gets a chance to learn from his mistake.

January 6, 2015, 10:54 AM	#15
garryc Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 2005 Posts: 2,536	A lesson, keep your booger picker off the trigger. Don't fumble around with yor gun, don't be distracted. You can't see where his fingers are at the moment of discharge, just them fumbling around as he tries to put it in his pocket. Last edited by garryc; January 6, 2015 at 11:00 AM.

January 6, 2015, 11:21 AM	#16
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,968	does this constitute as a one shot stop? I mean he did stop doing whatever he was doing and crumpled up.

January 6, 2015, 11:37 AM	#17
Snyper Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2013 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 3,047	This is one instance where a 25 acp would have been a better carry weapon __________________ One shot, one kill

January 6, 2015, 12:12 PM	#18
tipoc Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Location: Redwood City, Ca. Posts: 4,114	I'm not sure it matters to us why he decided to move the gun. Maybe a good reason or bad, we can guess at it but don't know yet. It was his decision to do it with one hand while holding a package, carrying on a conversation, in a public elevator into a pocket that was hard to get open that seems to me the questionable actions. Of course there are different versions of what the bullet did. there has not been time to verify yet. No official report. Does it matter if the bullet did the damage or a piece of shrapnel? Either way the gentleman shot himself and will join the immortals of videodom (or videodumb) as a result. Yep. a OSS. Add it to the statistics. tipoc

January 6, 2015, 05:44 PM	#21
Deaf Smith Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2000 Location: Texican! Posts: 4,453	Well I doubt it fired by itself. SOMETHING caught in the trigger guard and fired it. Maybe one of his other fingers. Deaf __________________ “To you who call yourselves ‘men of peace,’ I say, you are not safe without men of action by your side” Thucydides

January 6, 2015, 06:02 PM	#22
tipoc Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Location: Redwood City, Ca. Posts: 4,114	How much difference does it make if it was his finger or a coat button that got jammed inside the trigger guard? Is he less responsible if it's a button? tipoc

January 6, 2015, 06:13 PM	#23
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	There was a poster on another site who advocated removing the safety on SA autos and carrying at full cock Claimed he could never make a mistake since he was perfect in all respects! Maybe that cop is his cousin. Jim

January 6, 2015, 06:27 PM	#24
Deaf Smith Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2000 Location: Texican! Posts: 4,453	Well if the cop had a HOLSTER and KEPT IT IN THE HOLSTER then yea, a SA with no safety would work. Some learn early in life a safe gun is a holstered one, others wave them around till something goes wrong, then if they survive they get a holster. I bet this cop will keep it holstered next time, if he is still a cop. Deaf __________________ “To you who call yourselves ‘men of peace,’ I say, you are not safe without men of action by your side” Thucydides