Long Range/Precision Bolt Rifles Anyone? - Page 2

Scorch · February 7, 2015, 09:14 PM

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What other 5-shot group sizes were shot in load development?

I ask because most accuracy claims state the smallest group shot with a given load. If all groups shot with a given load aren't within 10% of the same size, they don't have enough shots in them to represent the load's real accuracy.

Well, Bart, I was doing load development for my customer, and when a rifle shoots a 5-shot sub-caliber group, I am done. So, I don't know what other groups it shot after I handed it over, but the customer (a competitive shooter)called me and asked what I had done to the barrel to get it to shoot so well, so I have to assume it shot pretty well even after load development.

criterionbarrels · February 9, 2015, 05:43 PM

Thanks for the kind words Damon. I'm glad we could help out with your build project!

HKFan9 · February 11, 2015, 01:33 AM

Here is my stick.

Kimber 8400 Advanced Tactical .308
20 MOA base
Vortex branded (either badger or seekins) 34mm precision matched rings.
Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50mm FFP MRAD
CDI Precision Gun Works bottom metal with AI Magazines
Atlas Bipod

Sorry for the bad pics, quickly taken with a cell phone and basement lighting

In the wild

before the bottom metal install and atlas bipod

INMY01TA · February 16, 2015, 01:59 AM

Very nice HK fan9 ^^

Mine:
Remington 700 SPS Tactical .308
EGW 20 moa base
Vortex Viper pst 6-24 ffp
Vortex (Seekins) Precision Matched Rings low
HS Precision stock
Timney flat trigger
Wyatts trigger guard/mag
Harris bipod
Badger Ordinance bolt knob

HKFan9 · February 16, 2015, 01:26 PM

Nice set up, how's the SPS tactical shoot, I was looking at getting a .223 bolt gun for cheaper practice under 600 yards, and the SPS tactical and a new stock were one of my considerations.

BoogieMan · February 16, 2015, 02:20 PM

Hard to believe that no one showed a long action yet. Am I the only one who believes a -06 that dominated the LR scene for 60+- years is still very capable.
No -06, 300wm, 7rm,6.5x55 etc...

Snyper · February 16, 2015, 03:16 PM

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Am I the only one who believes a -06 that dominated the LR scene for 60+- years is still very capable.

The 30-06 was popular due to many of the matches being geared towards military rifles, and many of the shooters having learned while in the military

It was easy to find "match" ammo in 30-06 and 308, and not so much in other cartridges

It wasn't because they are really "better"

BoogieMan · February 16, 2015, 05:27 PM

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It wasn't because they are really "better"

Not implying better. Im only saying adequate. Also plenty of guys listed and showed their 308's. But none for any long action.

Snyper · February 16, 2015, 06:21 PM

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Also plenty of guys listed and showed their 308's. But none for any long action.

I think that's largely due to the fact people don't like more recoil than than necessary when shooting off a bench

My "long range" bean field hunting rifle is a Sendero 7 Mag with a Leu 6.5 X 20 AO that's probably as accurate as any of those 308's

HKFan9 · February 16, 2015, 06:40 PM

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Hard to believe that no one showed a long action yet. Am I the only one who believes a -06 that dominated the LR scene for 60+- years is still very capable.
No -06, 300wm, 7rm,6.5x55 etc...

Techically my rifle is a long action, just used to chamber a short action round.

I have no problems with long actions at all, just not needed for that I do, which is shooting under 1000 yards. Paper is pretty easy to kill compared to game, so really the less recoil the better. If and when I shoot out the barrel on my Kimber in .308 I plan to re-barrel it to a 6.5 creedmoore.

I think .30-06 is a great round, but in long distance rigs I believe it will be more common place to see .300WM and such.

Scorch · February 16, 2015, 07:05 PM

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Hard to believe that no one showed a long action yet.

Post #18 is a long action.

mavracer · February 16, 2015, 09:51 PM

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Hard to believe that no one showed a long action yet. Am I the only one who believes a -06 that dominated the LR scene for 60+- years is still very capable.
No -06, 300wm, 7rm,6.5x55 etc...

Guess I could have posted a picture of mine in post22

ranger56528 · February 17, 2015, 01:14 AM

I just bought a 12LRP in 6.5 Creedmoor a few months ago and topped it with a 6.5-20x50 Vortex, can't wait for spring.

Bart B. · February 17, 2015, 09:37 AM

The .30-06 dominated long range matches for only 30 years. 'Twas in 1935 when a .300 H&H Mag won the big 1000-yard match at the Nationals setting a record and it quickly became the favorite for bullseye targets past 600 yards. While the H&H round shot bullets out only a little faster and had more recoil for a given rifle weight, they were typically used in heavier rifles (with "bull barrels) and therefore were as easy to shoot accurately as the .30-06 and bucked the win a little better.

Three main reasons why the .30-06 was "the" cartridge for matches. One was the M1903 and Win. 54 actions were long enough for its ammo to be clipped up and charge magazines easily for rapid fire matches. An other was the military 172-gr. match bullet as well as cases were available through the DCM for civilians to use. And new M1903 .30-06 barrels could be bought from the DCM for a few bucks each.

Starting in 1963, the superior accuracy of the .308 Win. over the .30-06 and the .30-.338 Win Mag accuracy over the .300 H&H, plus Sierra's changeover from FMJBT match bullets to HPBT ones for better accuracy, the .30-06 faded away from match use. Three years later, in 1966, the NRA changed the targets for use up to 600 yards to smaller scoring ring diameters. In 1972, the long range target (a 36" high scoring 5-ring, in use since about 1900) was changed to smaller scoring rings and a 20" 10-ring. The .30-06 was no longer competitive at long range.

Longer, flat surfaced receivers are better than any round one or short one. They resist torquing from barrel twist that increases with muzzle velocity and bullet weight. Remington's short 40X centerfire receiver was the worst ever barreled action made when it had the factory .30-.338 Win Mag or 7mm Rem Mag barrel in it. Epoxy bedded, it would last about 75 to 100 shots before it had twisted out of a perfect fit and accuracy went down the drain. Rem's 7XX receivers were/are the same. Pillar bedding helps somewhat, but they're best epoxied into a flat bottom/side sleeve like the benchresters did back in the 1960's with Rem. 722 receivers with .222 Rem barrels on them for best accuracy. Or use a Win 70 receiver and it'll do just fine.

BoogieMan · February 17, 2015, 03:44 PM

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Post #18 is a long action.

I didnt know that 224TTH was LA, from the pic the rifle looks SA to me.

February 16, 2015, 01:59 AM	#29
INMY01TA Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2008 Location: Marylandistan Posts: 262	Very nice HK fan9 ^^ Mine: Remington 700 SPS Tactical .308 EGW 20 moa base Vortex Viper pst 6-24 ffp Vortex (Seekins) Precision Matched Rings low HS Precision stock Timney flat trigger Wyatts trigger guard/mag Harris bipod Badger Ordinance bolt knob Last edited by INMY01TA; February 16, 2015 at 02:06 AM.

February 16, 2015, 02:20 PM	#31
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	Hard to believe that no one showed a long action yet. Am I the only one who believes a -06 that dominated the LR scene for 60+- years is still very capable. No -06, 300wm, 7rm,6.5x55 etc... __________________ Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it. Milton Freidman "If you find yourself in a fair fight,,, Your tactics suck"- Unknown

February 9, 2015, 05:43 PM	#27
criterionbarrels Junior Member Join Date: August 12, 2014 Posts: 12	Thanks for the kind words Damon. I'm glad we could help out with your build project!

February 11, 2015, 01:33 AM	#28
HKFan9 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2008 Posts: 3,057	Here is my stick. Kimber 8400 Advanced Tactical .308 20 MOA base Vortex branded (either badger or seekins) 34mm precision matched rings. Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50mm FFP MRAD CDI Precision Gun Works bottom metal with AI Magazines Atlas Bipod Sorry for the bad pics, quickly taken with a cell phone and basement lighting In the wild before the bottom metal install and atlas bipod

February 16, 2015, 01:26 PM	#30
HKFan9 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2008 Posts: 3,057	Nice set up, how's the SPS tactical shoot, I was looking at getting a .223 bolt gun for cheaper practice under 600 yards, and the SPS tactical and a new stock were one of my considerations.

February 17, 2015, 01:14 AM	#38
ranger56528 Member Join Date: May 22, 2014 Posts: 88	I just bought a 12LRP in 6.5 Creedmoor a few months ago and topped it with a 6.5-20x50 Vortex, can't wait for spring.

February 17, 2015, 09:37 AM	#39
Bart B. Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Posts: 8,927	The .30-06 dominated long range matches for only 30 years. 'Twas in 1935 when a .300 H&H Mag won the big 1000-yard match at the Nationals setting a record and it quickly became the favorite for bullseye targets past 600 yards. While the H&H round shot bullets out only a little faster and had more recoil for a given rifle weight, they were typically used in heavier rifles (with "bull barrels) and therefore were as easy to shoot accurately as the .30-06 and bucked the win a little better. Three main reasons why the .30-06 was "the" cartridge for matches. One was the M1903 and Win. 54 actions were long enough for its ammo to be clipped up and charge magazines easily for rapid fire matches. An other was the military 172-gr. match bullet as well as cases were available through the DCM for civilians to use. And new M1903 .30-06 barrels could be bought from the DCM for a few bucks each. Starting in 1963, the superior accuracy of the .308 Win. over the .30-06 and the .30-.338 Win Mag accuracy over the .300 H&H, plus Sierra's changeover from FMJBT match bullets to HPBT ones for better accuracy, the .30-06 faded away from match use. Three years later, in 1966, the NRA changed the targets for use up to 600 yards to smaller scoring ring diameters. In 1972, the long range target (a 36" high scoring 5-ring, in use since about 1900) was changed to smaller scoring rings and a 20" 10-ring. The .30-06 was no longer competitive at long range. Longer, flat surfaced receivers are better than any round one or short one. They resist torquing from barrel twist that increases with muzzle velocity and bullet weight. Remington's short 40X centerfire receiver was the worst ever barreled action made when it had the factory .30-.338 Win Mag or 7mm Rem Mag barrel in it. Epoxy bedded, it would last about 75 to 100 shots before it had twisted out of a perfect fit and accuracy went down the drain. Rem's 7XX receivers were/are the same. Pillar bedding helps somewhat, but they're best epoxied into a flat bottom/side sleeve like the benchresters did back in the 1960's with Rem. 722 receivers with .222 Rem barrels on them for best accuracy. Or use a Win 70 receiver and it'll do just fine.