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Welcome to the Party, Wayne (about damn time...).
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Now this may be pure symbolism by Wayne, or it actually could mean the 800 lb. Gorilla is getting peeved. I hope it is the latter.... |
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"Welcome to the Party, Wayne (about damn time...)."
My sentiments precisely! The NRA has been very late in coming to this "party". If MSM would pick this up it could be the undoing of their chosen messiah....uh but that's why they have not and will not. The latest reports on this scam reveal that it was approved by people far up the chain of command. Keep pushing! |
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One can hope that this can lead to some actual beneficial change.
I know, long hope, but still. "approved by people far up the chain of command." It's a long-held axiom that, if you don't know anything about something, it might be dangerous to mess with it. We can be pretty sure that most of the people "far up the chain" don't know much about guns. Does anyone have any info on how much the average BATFE employee actually knows about guns? I suspect that, the higher up the chain, the less knowledge. Kinda like our government in general, I guess. Best, Will
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By the way, AG Holder's testimony in front of the House Judiciary Committee will be webcast live at www.judiciary.house.gov.
The testimony will occur Tuesday 5/3/2011 at 10:15 a.m. (Eastern). Tune in tomorrow for the shenanigans! |
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I want to keep following this. I think the rot goes pretty far up the chain. My thinking is this was a backdoor attempt to show "We need more restrictive gun laws to help our Southern Neighbor." If they could show these guns were comming from the US and then demand more control, it would have been harder for law abiding citizen to protest.
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Here's a CBS story about Holder's testimony to Congress about Project Gunrunner. No big bombshells, just more denial. The story also has a video of Holder's testimony.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20059360-10391695.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody Sure glad that CBS is following this since none of the other major news networks seem to give a damn. |
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Was hoping some of that testimony might make it to U Toob but I see it hasn't yet.
Those CBS excerpts aren't exactly showing a man in authority saying "we will gladly cooperate and bring everyone associated with this debacle to the table until we get to the bottom of it" But it's highly edited too, and likely edited with a bias. Anyone able to see the entire testimony?
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In my opinion, Cong. Issa of CA line of questioning during the hearing before the House Oversight Committee, was the most poignant of all. I was not able to view the entire hearing so there may have been others who asked pertinent questions.
I believe Holder has been caught in a lie. He claimed that he only learned about the Project Gun-walker a "few weeks ago". He also attempted to brush off criticism by Issa with talk about ongoing investigations and a classic Clinton-speak; "I felt their pain." Today during the Senate hearing the only person who asked any questions about this scheme was Grassley and as far as I am concerned he is useless. He can't even read the notes effectively. Now we need to see what happens. Can Issa prove that Holder is lying? and if so what happens next? Will the cover-up continue in the wake of the AG testifying that he intends to fully cooperate? Will anyone at ATF be punished? Stay tuned. |
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Whoever is behind this clever plan has enough clout to form a multi-agency task force that includes DoJ, ATF, and DHS and then order said task force to violate treaties and standing agreements the U.S. has with neighboring countries. If that guy isn't close enough to Holder that Holder knows what he is doing, then why does he have that much power? |
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The C-Span video direct link: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/J...DepartmentOve# The Issa questioning starts at 1:30:17.
Description: Attorney General Eric Holder testified before the House Judiciary Committee. Topics included the killing of Osama bin Laden, the threat from al-Qaeda, DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act), and the extensions of key provisions of the PATRIOT Act. Representative Darrell Issa questioned Attorney General Holder about the death of two border agents, suggesting the deaths were due to Justice Department policies. Attorney General Holder said the suggestion was "offensive." If I had been a Rep. I would have told him flat out "If I find out that this debacle goes to your office I will do everything in my power to put you in prison; and if I get my way it will be a Mexican prison."
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Seems that Issa has documents that show that Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer approved wiretaps for Operation Fast and Furious, which strongly suggests that Breuer know about the Operation and what was going on.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_16...in;contentBody So the scandal has risen to level of Assistant Attorney General, right now its like the Mississippi River, everyone holding their breath to see how high it will rise. |
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While Holder and Breuer may try to pin this on mid-level scapegoats, thsoe very same people may see the writing on the wall and decide being a whistleblower/witness for the prosecution is better than scapegoat.
The longer this goes on the more likely momentum will build from the middle ranks to expose the top tier before their own heads are sent rolling.
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Sen. Grassley asked some hard questions and presented a document to Holder and of course, Holder feigned ignorance. He is the most know-nothing head of a government agency that I have ever witnessed.
There is a video at the link as well as the story. SOURCE Quote:
SOURCE Not the first brush one of the whistle-blowers has had with BATFE incompetence. Quote:
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I was going to mention something similar to that Jimpeel, when the topic of the Phoenix office came up a few pages back, but decided against it.
Black Biscuit a few years ago included Cynthia Garcia's decapitation by a payrolled ATF associate, who was left on the payroll after the event was known...among other details that got alot of evidence tossed in the end and was another ATF Phoenix black eye. Also a gun running escapade into Mexico....dancing with the devil in similar ways.
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Don't know if anyone mentioned it but yesterday when I was driving, I heard a very factual and thus damning report on the issue on NPR.
Holder didn't sound very convincing. Surprisingly today, NPR had a report of a FL law stopping pediatricians from asking you about guns in the house. Very professional and interviewed M. Hammer and other RKBA people. They were convincing.
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