shot my first reloads, got ?????

axis223 · April 26, 2016, 01:05 PM

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h335 with new rem brass FL sized cci 400 primers I shot 1-4 groups from 20.8gr to 22gr with 55gr v max.

I then switched to cci450 primers with the same loads for groups 5-7

what's your thoughts? how can I tighten them up a bit and get more speed.

I didn't let the gun cool as I wasn't paying attention so this could be why some groups are open imo but could be wrong.

Chainsaw. · April 26, 2016, 02:50 PM

What round are these loads?

What is the load recipe?

What speed are they running at?

What are you shooting them out of?

How far are these targets?

Need much more info to give answers.

axis223 · April 26, 2016, 03:53 PM

sorry.

55gr v max bullet.

savage axis 223 HB front bipod.

no chrono so not sure.

100yards target

started at 20.8gr and worked up to 22gr in .3 increments in each group of 5.

TfflHndn · April 26, 2016, 04:38 PM

What's the grid size on your targets?

**Unclenick** · April 26, 2016, 04:48 PM

Those will be 1" grid lines.

Axis223,

Things did better with magnum primers. In 1989, CCI reformulated their magnum primers specifically for the St. Marks spherical propellants like H335, so this is not a huge surprise. They are harder to light.

To better track your groups, try the free version of On Target. It will make measured records easier to get. If you like it, get the paid version ($12) that is more current.

Next go read Dan Newberry's pages on load work up.

You are off to a great start, and those tools will let you fine tune things.

cw308 · April 26, 2016, 06:54 PM

Did well on first reloads, most of the time midrange loads are the most accurate. I would now resize your fire formed cases to a minimum with your F/L sizing die to .001 shoot the load with the tightest group few more times, then try .10 up or down to see how it groups. Once you have the best group powder wise, then try different seating depths. Were all looking for that 5 shot one hole group. 3 don't count only 5, sorry. Are you using a rear bag with a bi-pod?

axis223 · April 26, 2016, 08:52 PM

I was trying to use the rear Caldwell bag but it got wet and hard as a rock now so the stock wasn't fully seated inside the gap just resting on top so a bit shaky.

the reason I only shot 3 is the other 2 weren't sized right as they were tight so I set them aside but the others fit so I shot them.

this weekend ill buy more bullets and get some more loaded up and see what the real deal is.

**Unclenick** · April 26, 2016, 09:02 PM

If you're going to use a bipod, you may want to read this.

5whiskey · April 26, 2016, 09:11 PM

Have you seen factory ammo post better groups than this out of your axis? I bought my son an axis thinking it would be akin to the old Stevens 200, which was exactly compatible with a savage 110. The Axis is a different animal. The bore fouls bad after 10 shots or so, no matter the ammo. I've had very good luck with savages before, but not this model.

Also I can tell you the Stock forearm on that Axis is not stiff enough to work with bipods. If the forearm flexes into the barrel that will kill your accuracy. It may work, kinda sort, but repeatability will be very difficult. You need to either stiffen that stock or get another one.

axis223 · April 26, 2016, 09:51 PM

I push the gun into bipod so it doesn't touch but a Boyd's is in the future. Factory ammo is about the same couple of mine are better.

Marco Califo · April 26, 2016, 11:49 PM

I have used a bipod attached to the Axis black plastic stock, on the front sling bolt. Worked fine, until I went to a Boyds stock, which I really like.
I have found that you need to pay attention to the temperature of the Axis barrel. Using H335 / WC844 it gets very hot rather quickly. At some point accuracy suffers.

kilimanjaro · April 27, 2016, 12:00 AM

That's as good as you're going to get using a bipod. Try a bag rest for a while.

Maybe concentrate on your own technique rather than ammo for a bit, I'm not seeing anything that can be directly said to be your ammo.

Metal god · April 27, 2016, 02:22 AM

Those look pretty good . Looks like your on the right track .

As for the flex in the stock . I've not felt the Axis stock but I do have a Ruger American rifle . It's for-end is very flimsy . The lightest pressure would force the barrel to touch the stock .

What I did was sanded out the barrel channel using sand paper wraped in a large dowel . I relieved it by 3/32 on each side which helped a great deal .

Sorry forgot to take before pictures but a dollar bill barely fit in between the stock and barrel . Now I can stack two playing card together and slide them between the stock and barrel .

Mobuck · April 27, 2016, 07:21 AM

Those charges seem pretty light. I think I'm running around 25 grains WCC844 (H335) with 55 grainers and CCI 41(magnum rated) primers in military brass.

BTW
Just my opinion but you're just wasting components using increments less than .5 grain until you get right up against the listed max loads or trying to "tune" that last tiny bit of accuracy.

Longshot4 · May 2, 2016, 07:45 PM

I'm with Metal god. You have a good start. Records records records!

April 26, 2016, 01:05 PM	#1
axis223 Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2016 Posts: 178	shot my first reloads, got ????? http://s1030.photobucket.com/user/ma...xedcj.jpg.html http://s1030.photobucket.com/user/ma...tml?sort=3&o=1 h335 with new rem brass FL sized cci 400 primers I shot 1-4 groups from 20.8gr to 22gr with 55gr v max. I then switched to cci450 primers with the same loads for groups 5-7 what's your thoughts? how can I tighten them up a bit and get more speed. I didn't let the gun cool as I wasn't paying attention so this could be why some groups are open imo but could be wrong.

April 26, 2016, 04:48 PM	#5
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,061	Those will be 1" grid lines. Axis223, Things did better with magnum primers. In 1989, CCI reformulated their magnum primers specifically for the St. Marks spherical propellants like H335, so this is not a huge surprise. They are harder to light. To better track your groups, try the free version of On Target. It will make measured records easier to get. If you like it, get the paid version ($12) that is more current. Next go read Dan Newberry's pages on load work up. You are off to a great start, and those tools will let you fine tune things. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

April 26, 2016, 06:54 PM	#6
cw308 Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2010 Location: Plainview , Long Island NY Posts: 3,863	Did well on first reloads, most of the time midrange loads are the most accurate. I would now resize your fire formed cases to a minimum with your F/L sizing die to .001 shoot the load with the tightest group few more times, then try .10 up or down to see how it groups. Once you have the best group powder wise, then try different seating depths. Were all looking for that 5 shot one hole group. 3 don't count only 5, sorry. Are you using a rear bag with a bi-pod? Last edited by cw308; April 27, 2016 at 07:30 AM.

April 26, 2016, 09:02 PM	#8
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,061	If you're going to use a bipod, you may want to read this. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

April 26, 2016, 09:11 PM	#9
5whiskey Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2005 Location: US Posts: 3,652	Have you seen factory ammo post better groups than this out of your axis? I bought my son an axis thinking it would be akin to the old Stevens 200, which was exactly compatible with a savage 110. The Axis is a different animal. The bore fouls bad after 10 shots or so, no matter the ammo. I've had very good luck with savages before, but not this model. Also I can tell you the Stock forearm on that Axis is not stiff enough to work with bipods. If the forearm flexes into the barrel that will kill your accuracy. It may work, kinda sort, but repeatability will be very difficult. You need to either stiffen that stock or get another one. Last edited by 5whiskey; April 26, 2016 at 09:16 PM.

April 26, 2016, 02:50 PM	#2
Chainsaw. Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2015 Location: Issaquah WA. Its a dry rain. Posts: 1,774	What round are these loads? What is the load recipe? What speed are they running at? What are you shooting them out of? How far are these targets? Need much more info to give answers.

April 26, 2016, 03:53 PM	#3
axis223 Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2016 Posts: 178	sorry. 55gr v max bullet. savage axis 223 HB front bipod. no chrono so not sure. 100yards target started at 20.8gr and worked up to 22gr in .3 increments in each group of 5.

April 26, 2016, 04:38 PM	#4
TfflHndn Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2013 Location: Gig Harbor WA Posts: 160	What's the grid size on your targets?

April 26, 2016, 08:52 PM	#7
axis223 Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2016 Posts: 178	I was trying to use the rear Caldwell bag but it got wet and hard as a rock now so the stock wasn't fully seated inside the gap just resting on top so a bit shaky. the reason I only shot 3 is the other 2 weren't sized right as they were tight so I set them aside but the others fit so I shot them. this weekend ill buy more bullets and get some more loaded up and see what the real deal is.

April 26, 2016, 09:51 PM	#10
axis223 Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2016 Posts: 178	I push the gun into bipod so it doesn't touch but a Boyd's is in the future. Factory ammo is about the same couple of mine are better.

April 26, 2016, 11:49 PM	#11
Marco Califo Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2011 Location: LA (Greater Los Angeles Area) Posts: 2,598	I have used a bipod attached to the Axis black plastic stock, on the front sling bolt. Worked fine, until I went to a Boyds stock, which I really like. I have found that you need to pay attention to the temperature of the Axis barrel. Using H335 / WC844 it gets very hot rather quickly. At some point accuracy suffers. __________________ ............

April 27, 2016, 12:00 AM	#12
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	That's as good as you're going to get using a bipod. Try a bag rest for a while. Maybe concentrate on your own technique rather than ammo for a bit, I'm not seeing anything that can be directly said to be your ammo.

April 27, 2016, 02:22 AM	#13
Metal god Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2012 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 6,875	Those look pretty good . Looks like your on the right track . As for the flex in the stock . I've not felt the Axis stock but I do have a Ruger American rifle . It's for-end is very flimsy . The lightest pressure would force the barrel to touch the stock . What I did was sanded out the barrel channel using sand paper wraped in a large dowel . I relieved it by 3/32 on each side which helped a great deal . Sorry forgot to take before pictures but a dollar bill barely fit in between the stock and barrel . Now I can stack two playing card together and slide them between the stock and barrel . __________________ If Jesus had a gun , he'd probably still be alive ! I almost always write my posts regardless of content in a jovial manor and intent . If that's not how you took it , please try again .

April 27, 2016, 07:21 AM	#14
Mobuck Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2010 Posts: 6,846	Those charges seem pretty light. I think I'm running around 25 grains WCC844 (H335) with 55 grainers and CCI 41(magnum rated) primers in military brass. BTW Just my opinion but you're just wasting components using increments less than .5 grain until you get right up against the listed max loads or trying to "tune" that last tiny bit of accuracy.

May 2, 2016, 07:45 PM	#15
Longshot4 Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2014 Posts: 868	I'm with Metal god. You have a good start. Records records records!