What's the deal with this Monte Carlo stock?

9mmMike · October 24, 2001, 10:54 AM

Well,
I got another 870 (I could stop if I wanted to Doc.) and it came with a Monte Carlo stock and a 20" rifle sighted barrel.
I can not get close to looking through the rear site with that blasted stock. Is this a match made in heck?
I am going to start shopping for a 26" - 30" vent ribbed barrel with a modified choke to put on this new SG and use it for killing clays. Is this the true calling for that MC stock?
Mike

Bud1 · October 24, 2001, 11:28 AM

Monte Carlo stocks keep the stock parallel to the bore (a good thing), but usually do not have enough pitch to keep your pattern at 50/50. High pitched MC stocks are favored by trapshooters, who like 60/40 and even 70/30 patterns for rising, going away targets.

You may be able to change your sight picture by adding spacers to the buttstock, but it may require a bit more downward pitch to get to where it is comfortable and hitting where you want it.

A decent stockmaker can easily bend your stock downward if you do not want to increase the length of pull. Stock bending usually runs around $60 or so, and can be well worth it.

I can e:mail you some specifics on how to measure the amount of pitch/cast needed on a stock if you are interested. It takes a little time on a patterning board, but tells you exactly what adjustments are needed to bring your point-of-impact right where you want it.

Bud

Dave McC · October 24, 2001, 02:39 PM

Mike, the top of my MC trap stock presses against the bottom of my cheek bone, thus making a consistent mount.With my long neck and wide face, it takes an adjustable pad adjusted all the way to get the butt where it belongs.

Lots of upland hunters like a high pattern, including me. The game stays visible and the pattern is where a rising bird would be. IMO, a 60/40 setup is close to optimum on a hunting shotgun, and essential for trap. On a pure D Handicap gun, I'd want maybe 70/30 or more. Dialing in a little elevation for those long shots makes sense.Shooting a high shooting shotgun takes very little getting used to.

IMO, MC stocks are the cat's pajams for SOME folks, but not a universal good thing.

9mmMike · October 24, 2001, 05:22 PM

Thanks guys,
I did sort of add a spacer. I put the slip-on Uncle Mike's (no relation) recoil pad that I took off of my other 870 (replaced with Pachmayr decelerator) onto the MC stock and it added about 5/8" to the length.
This worked OK but I still can not get my eye down to that rear site. What I need to do is pattern the dern thang. I sure wish I could get a longer barrel before this weekend's TFL shoot at Water & Wings. I hope to take both 870's and pattern them this weekend, work permitting.
Thanks again,
Mike

K80Geoff · October 24, 2001, 06:51 PM

I bought a Remington 870 express years ago with one of those monte carlo stocks. Eventually threw it away and put on plastic furniture. I couldn't shoot the damn thing either!

Too short and too high! And ugly to boot. The black plastic looks sexier.

Geoff Ross

October 24, 2001, 10:54 AM	#1
9mmMike Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2000 Location: SE PA Posts: 1,049	What's the deal with this Monte Carlo stock? Well, I got another 870 (I could stop if I wanted to Doc.) and it came with a Monte Carlo stock and a 20" rifle sighted barrel. I can not get close to looking through the rear site with that blasted stock. Is this a match made in heck? I am going to start shopping for a 26" - 30" vent ribbed barrel with a modified choke to put on this new SG and use it for killing clays. Is this the true calling for that MC stock? Mike __________________ "Freedom is not free" Visit TheRallyPoint.org TheRallyPoint at LRGC- Saturday August 26th IF YOU LIVE IN PA AND DID NOT VOTE, YOU DESERVE TO LOSE YOUR GUNS!

October 24, 2001, 05:22 PM	#4
9mmMike Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2000 Location: SE PA Posts: 1,049	Thanks guys, I did sort of add a spacer. I put the slip-on Uncle Mike's (no relation) recoil pad that I took off of my other 870 (replaced with Pachmayr decelerator) onto the MC stock and it added about 5/8" to the length. This worked OK but I still can not get my eye down to that rear site. What I need to do is pattern the dern thang. I sure wish I could get a longer barrel before this weekend's TFL shoot at Water & Wings. I hope to take both 870's and pattern them this weekend, work permitting. Thanks again, Mike __________________ "Freedom is not free" Visit TheRallyPoint.org TheRallyPoint at LRGC- Saturday August 26th IF YOU LIVE IN PA AND DID NOT VOTE, YOU DESERVE TO LOSE YOUR GUNS!

October 24, 2001, 06:51 PM	#5
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	I bought a Remington 870 express years ago with one of those monte carlo stocks. Eventually threw it away and put on plastic furniture. I couldn't shoot the damn thing either! Too short and too high! And ugly to boot. The black plastic looks sexier. Geoff Ross __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye!

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October 24, 2001, 11:28 AM	#2
Bud1 Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2000 Posts: 194	Monte Carlo stocks keep the stock parallel to the bore (a good thing), but usually do not have enough pitch to keep your pattern at 50/50. High pitched MC stocks are favored by trapshooters, who like 60/40 and even 70/30 patterns for rising, going away targets. You may be able to change your sight picture by adding spacers to the buttstock, but it may require a bit more downward pitch to get to where it is comfortable and hitting where you want it. A decent stockmaker can easily bend your stock downward if you do not want to increase the length of pull. Stock bending usually runs around $60 or so, and can be well worth it. I can e:mail you some specifics on how to measure the amount of pitch/cast needed on a stock if you are interested. It takes a little time on a patterning board, but tells you exactly what adjustments are needed to bring your point-of-impact right where you want it. Bud

October 24, 2001, 02:39 PM	#3
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Mike, the top of my MC trap stock presses against the bottom of my cheek bone, thus making a consistent mount.With my long neck and wide face, it takes an adjustable pad adjusted all the way to get the butt where it belongs. Lots of upland hunters like a high pattern, including me. The game stays visible and the pattern is where a rising bird would be. IMO, a 60/40 setup is close to optimum on a hunting shotgun, and essential for trap. On a pure D Handicap gun, I'd want maybe 70/30 or more. Dialing in a little elevation for those long shots makes sense.Shooting a high shooting shotgun takes very little getting used to. IMO, MC stocks are the cat's pajams for SOME folks, but not a universal good thing.