arisaka

kh1911 · June 26, 2014, 08:32 PM

I just bought a sporterized arisaka, and I was wondering if anyone knew of anywhere I can pick up the 7.7mm ammo?

tangolima · June 26, 2014, 08:58 PM

You should start reloading. But if you must, hornady and ppu have that caliber. It will cost you though.

-TL

tahunua001 · June 26, 2014, 09:34 PM

actually I think PPU has dropped their 7.7 line. Hornady makes it but in limited amounts in small runs. the only place I've found to reliably have it in stock is Cabelas online but they apparently don't have it either. Grafs has a store brand made by hornady but they are often out of stock anywhere you look. Grafs has brass but it's spendy... sorry about your new sporter but it's going to be tough to feed.

Blindstitch · June 26, 2014, 09:41 PM

Definitely a reloaders dream. But don't get discouraged because The brass is out there.

I'm going to be taking my 6.5 Type 38 Sporter out to the range tomorrow.

doofus47 · June 26, 2014, 10:05 PM

PCI makes (or used to make) some 150gr fmj in 7.7Japanese.
Norma makes some 174gr hunting ammo in 7.7
I have a bit of both. The PCI groups a bit below the 150 gr SP Hornady at 100 yards.
You can resize/fire form 8mm Mauser empties for reloading or cut down 30-06 cases for reloading.
They're great rifles; you'll have fun.

FrankenMauser · June 26, 2014, 10:09 PM

Hornady, PPU, Norma, S&B, ArmsCor, and Winchester ("Metrics" - it's re-branded S&B) all offer factory 7.7x58mm Jap. You may not be able to find any right now, but they do run it at least every year or two (depending on the brand).

Right now, Lohman Arms claims to have some of the Hornady 150 gr in stock.

tahunua001 · June 26, 2014, 10:16 PM

keep in mind that lohman does not regularly update their website. I once ordered some hydrashok bullets from them and after 2 weeks of no updates I sent an email asking why it hadn't shipped yet and they informed me that they didn't even have them in stock...

just a warning.

Geezerbiker · June 26, 2014, 11:13 PM

I always made it by shortening '06 cases. I found the thicker neck would actually shoot better because of the sloppy military chambers. Most of the time I used .308Win load data and it worked find with no over pressure signs.

Tony

tangolima · June 26, 2014, 11:56 PM

It's not difficult at all if you hand load. But it could be tough if you don't. I make my brass out of .30-06 with ease.

I have two of those rifles. Both shoot very well.

-TL

tahunua001 · June 27, 2014, 12:10 AM

I don't make my brass but as far as data goes, as of hornady 8th ed and sierra 5th ed both companies publish load data for 7.7 jap.

eastbank · June 27, 2014, 06:03 AM

my first series nagola 99 japanese original rifle with my reloads will cut bullet holes at 75yds from a good bench rest with the original peep sight.i load it to lower .308 speeds and it kills deer very dead. eastbank.

Duzell · June 27, 2014, 11:04 AM

can we get some pics?

i am curious to compare it to my howa. supposedly the actions are very similar but never had the chance to see one up close

as the howa is the Modern verion of the ariska rifle im intrigued

FrankenMauser · June 27, 2014, 11:48 AM

Duzell, an internet search will bring up more pictures than you can possible need.

Google: Type 99 Arisaka.

It's a cock-on-closing design, based heavily upon Mausers (like everything else).

tahunua001 · June 27, 2014, 11:57 AM

Howa is not a modern Arisaka, Howa may have been one of the factories that made the arisaka, but they are completely different beasts.

steveNChunter · June 27, 2014, 04:07 PM

Howa is much closer to a modern Sako L57 than an Arisaka

**44 AMP** · June 28, 2014, 10:11 AM

Before you go and get ammo, or get set up to load the ammo, make CERTAIN that it is still a 7.7mm Jap.

Many of the sporterized Arisakas were rechambered, or rebarreled. And they don't always have the correct caliber marked on them.

I have even seen one "bubba" job in a shop, with a tag saying it was 7mm Rem Mag!

If it is still a 7.7mm then reloading is your best bet. I have made brass from 06 cases, it works. I do have a bag of factory new brass (graf, I think) around here, somewhere...which I will use the next time I do a run of 7.7 ammo.

The proper loads for the 7.7mm Jap are the ballistic duplicate of the .303 British. The 7.7 uses the same bullet (.311-.312") and at the same speed as the .303 Brit.

This Arisaka is now a .308 Win. Extensively reworked metal (action) new barrel and new wood.

Nobody does this much, these days, its simply not cost effective today.

This is what it would have looked like, before....

tangolima · June 28, 2014, 11:07 AM

Most cheap conversions involve rechambering without rebarreling. Mostly .308" projectile going down the original .311" bore. Accuracy would be compromised.

-TL

Gunplummer · June 28, 2014, 08:14 PM

A popular conversion years back was to set the barrel back and re-cut to .300 Savage. I have seen many over the years and owned one. At 100 yards there was no accuracy problems. I never shot it farther than that, so maybe accuracy drops off. I had a 30-06 converted by the U.S. military, and I can not say that was too accurate. I still have one I converted to 7.62x39. I use 150 grain .308 bullets in it and it is VERY accurate. I started using the 150 grain Corlokts because they shot better than the .303 bullets I tried. At 100 yards, a couple thousandths really means nothing. That bullet expands as soon as it is fired.

June 26, 2014, 08:32 PM	#1
kh1911 Member Join Date: July 15, 2012 Posts: 54	arisaka I just bought a sporterized arisaka, and I was wondering if anyone knew of anywhere I can pick up the 7.7mm ammo?

June 26, 2014, 09:34 PM	#3
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	actually I think PPU has dropped their 7.7 line. Hornady makes it but in limited amounts in small runs. the only place I've found to reliably have it in stock is Cabelas online but they apparently don't have it either. Grafs has a store brand made by hornady but they are often out of stock anywhere you look. Grafs has brass but it's spendy... sorry about your new sporter but it's going to be tough to feed. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

June 26, 2014, 10:05 PM	#5
doofus47 Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2010 Location: live in a in a house when i'm not in a tent Posts: 2,483	PCI makes (or used to make) some 150gr fmj in 7.7Japanese. Norma makes some 174gr hunting ammo in 7.7 I have a bit of both. The PCI groups a bit below the 150 gr SP Hornady at 100 yards. You can resize/fire form 8mm Mauser empties for reloading or cut down 30-06 cases for reloading. They're great rifles; you'll have fun. __________________ I'm right about the metric system 3/4 of the time.

June 26, 2014, 10:09 PM	#6
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	Hornady, PPU, Norma, S&B, ArmsCor, and Winchester ("Metrics" - it's re-branded S&B) all offer factory 7.7x58mm Jap. You may not be able to find any right now, but they do run it at least every year or two (depending on the brand). Right now, Lohman Arms claims to have some of the Hornady 150 gr in stock. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

June 26, 2014, 10:16 PM	#7
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	keep in mind that lohman does not regularly update their website. I once ordered some hydrashok bullets from them and after 2 weeks of no updates I sent an email asking why it hadn't shipped yet and they informed me that they didn't even have them in stock... just a warning. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

June 26, 2014, 08:58 PM	#2
tangolima Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2013 Posts: 3,816	You should start reloading. But if you must, hornady and ppu have that caliber. It will cost you though. -TL

June 26, 2014, 09:41 PM	#4
Blindstitch Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2013 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 2,692	Definitely a reloaders dream. But don't get discouraged because The brass is out there. I'm going to be taking my 6.5 Type 38 Sporter out to the range tomorrow.

June 26, 2014, 11:13 PM	#8
Geezerbiker Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Location: Willamina, OR Posts: 1,908	I always made it by shortening '06 cases. I found the thicker neck would actually shoot better because of the sloppy military chambers. Most of the time I used .308Win load data and it worked find with no over pressure signs. Tony

June 26, 2014, 11:56 PM	#9
tangolima Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2013 Posts: 3,816	It's not difficult at all if you hand load. But it could be tough if you don't. I make my brass out of .30-06 with ease. I have two of those rifles. Both shoot very well. -TL

June 27, 2014, 12:10 AM	#10
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	I don't make my brass but as far as data goes, as of hornady 8th ed and sierra 5th ed both companies publish load data for 7.7 jap. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

June 27, 2014, 06:03 AM	#11
eastbank Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2008 Location: pa. Posts: 2,450	my first series nagola 99 japanese original rifle with my reloads will cut bullet holes at 75yds from a good bench rest with the original peep sight.i load it to lower .308 speeds and it kills deer very dead. eastbank.

June 27, 2014, 11:04 AM	#12
Duzell Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 2011 Location: Monterey Posts: 803	can we get some pics? i am curious to compare it to my howa. supposedly the actions are very similar but never had the chance to see one up close as the howa is the Modern verion of the ariska rifle im intrigued __________________ Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. -GW

June 27, 2014, 11:48 AM	#13
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	Duzell, an internet search will bring up more pictures than you can possible need. Google: Type 99 Arisaka. It's a cock-on-closing design, based heavily upon Mausers (like everything else). __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

June 27, 2014, 11:57 AM	#14
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	Howa is not a modern Arisaka, Howa may have been one of the factories that made the arisaka, but they are completely different beasts. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

June 27, 2014, 04:07 PM	#15
steveNChunter Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2012 Location: Southern Appalachian Mtns Posts: 1,520	Howa is much closer to a modern Sako L57 than an Arisaka __________________ DEO VINDICE

June 28, 2014, 10:11 AM	#16
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,820	Before you go and get ammo, or get set up to load the ammo, make CERTAIN that it is still a 7.7mm Jap. Many of the sporterized Arisakas were rechambered, or rebarreled. And they don't always have the correct caliber marked on them. I have even seen one "bubba" job in a shop, with a tag saying it was 7mm Rem Mag! If it is still a 7.7mm then reloading is your best bet. I have made brass from 06 cases, it works. I do have a bag of factory new brass (graf, I think) around here, somewhere...which I will use the next time I do a run of 7.7 ammo. The proper loads for the 7.7mm Jap are the ballistic duplicate of the .303 British. The 7.7 uses the same bullet (.311-.312") and at the same speed as the .303 Brit. This Arisaka is now a .308 Win. Extensively reworked metal (action) new barrel and new wood. Nobody does this much, these days, its simply not cost effective today. This is what it would have looked like, before.... __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

June 28, 2014, 11:07 AM	#17
tangolima Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2013 Posts: 3,816	Most cheap conversions involve rechambering without rebarreling. Mostly .308" projectile going down the original .311" bore. Accuracy would be compromised. -TL

June 28, 2014, 08:14 PM	#18
Gunplummer Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2010 Location: South East Pa. Posts: 3,364	A popular conversion years back was to set the barrel back and re-cut to .300 Savage. I have seen many over the years and owned one. At 100 yards there was no accuracy problems. I never shot it farther than that, so maybe accuracy drops off. I had a 30-06 converted by the U.S. military, and I can not say that was too accurate. I still have one I converted to 7.62x39. I use 150 grain .308 bullets in it and it is VERY accurate. I started using the 150 grain Corlokts because they shot better than the .303 bullets I tried. At 100 yards, a couple thousandths really means nothing. That bullet expands as soon as it is fired.