April 11, 2014, 10:39 PM | #26 |
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The nice thing about having a safe is that you can put things other than guns in it.
Remember the saying about an ounce of prevention being better than a pound of cure? If you have some passive aggressive relative who would love to cause you grief, particularly when all they have to do to cause you grief is simply show up at your place when you're not home, it's worth the price of a gun safe to head that crap off at the pass. How much is your peace of mind worth?
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I was looking at something and I think a gun lock definitely can be a problem. A felon is prohibited from having either possession or control. While you can argue that he doesn't have full control if the gun is secured with a DOJ gun lock, if they can pick it up they are in possession and can more easily take the gun someplace where the can more easily drill the lock or cut a cable.
You didn't say anything about this, but if you are concerned that he is such an AH that he would visit just so he can get you in trouble for allowing him access to firearms, I wouldn't trust him not to be dealing drugs out of your home. |
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Buy a proper gun safe. That's all there is to it.
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You don't have to prove the felon cut the lock. Anyone charging has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you permitted the felon to possess or control a firearm. If a gun lock is good enough, and I do not know that it is, they have to prove you cut the cable. You do not have to prove that you did not cut it.
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We're talking about a relative who is reportedly prepared to lie to create problems for the OP. If the guns are locked in a safe or a "gun case" [think Stack-On, for example], the guy would have to physically damage the container to access the guns. That damage would be obvious to any investigator. Cable gun lock? Cut the cable, take the lock and the gun down the street, discard the cut lock in any dumpster behind any Quik Mart. Parole officer finds the felon with a gun, felon says, "Yeah, my cousin's husband OP gave it to me." Now how do you prove he's lying? Last edited by Aguila Blanca; April 14, 2014 at 03:59 PM. Reason: punctuation |
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Aguila is correct, that’s why I said its not the best solution I’m just saying its better than nothing. The sentiment I was getting (correct me if wrong) is the OP doesn’t want to… or cant buy a safe so I’m assuming there is a money issue with that, but its not like there are no options that are affordable.
* *I agree that if the thief wasn’t just trying to steal but also to screw over the OP then he would also take the cut lock evidence with him… if that’s the suspicion then for me there would be no discussion come hell or high water with the wife there would be no invite whether the OP is at home or not, that’s where the real issue is in thiscase... I would get the discussion out of the way.
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A number of on-point resources are available, for example
US Sentencing Commission - http://www.ussc.gov/Legal/Primers/Primer_Firearms.pdf as well as any number of cases returned by search for "18 U.S.C. § 922(g) felon in possession".
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Safes come in many styles, sizes and prices
Get the most safe you can afford.
If you forego the fireproof aspect of a gun safe, the prices drop substantially. Some, like the cheapo Stack-on and others, are glorified filing cabinets but - this is important - i believe California accepts them as appropriate storage. They're not expensive, easy and quick to install, and you have the added advantage of having provided a barrier to any unauthorized use or theft. if you can afford more, more is good. thick plate steel, fireproof ratings, cool paint jobs, all can be had for the right price. Bolted to the floor and the wall studs, they'll help hold the house up in an earthquake and keep your guns safe in a house fire. Anyway, to access a firearm stored in even the cheapo cabinet, someone will leave definite signs of forced entry and you've got a pretty good defense against improper storage.
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I'm going to look at a cheap Stack-on, haven't found one locally yet but I can get one shipped to Wal-mart if I have to. It's heavy enough that if it was turned to face the wall this person wouldn't be able to turn it enough to open it. But I'll probably spend a couple hundred more and get something that's at least somewhat secure instead.
While I was looking at safes I came across this article on Forbes, "Unsafe Gun Safes Can Be Opened By A Three Year Old", and wondered if anyone had an opinion or comment. The linked article contains pretty disturbing videos of a young child opening several of these safes. I think my handgun safe may be one of these types, but at least it's bolted to the wall. |
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I think you are looking at this kind of backwards. It is incumbent on the felon not to possess a firearm. This would most likely violate his parole and certainly violate federal law.
If he is in a position where he can put his dirty little hands on a firearm....he is in constructive possession. Personally, I would let them know that you have firearms and he could be violated with his parole officer (assuming he has a tail) just for being in a house with firearms. Should also let him know that he could also be prosecuted for constructive possession. If that does not scare him away, its on his head not yours. |
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That video isn't even in English. I don't put a lot of credence in it. That said, I also don't like electronic, digital locks. For a "safe," I prefer a traditional, rotary dial. For a less expensive gun storage cabinet, Stack-On has a full line of cabinets that lock with keys, and there isn't any three-year-old who's going to open one of them buy bumping the cabinet a couple of times.
http://www.stack-on.com/categories/s...s-gun-cabinets The doubles are handy -- one side for long guns, the other side for handguns. Can they be broken into by a moderately motivated person with simple tools? Yes -- but not without leaving clear evidence that the cabinet was broken into. Not recommended for absolute theft protection, but more than adequate for satisfying legal requirements for locking up guns, and for keeping honest people honest. |
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Cases like Huet are generally fact specific. I have been involved in similar cases where the principle resident was charged for making FAs available to a felon. You cannot put guns around your house for your prohibited felon friends to have access, and claim "my house" "my guns" not his. Your intentional actions not to limit access to the guns is the key to whether one is an accessory or not. You will not be in violation of the law by simply having guns in your house should a felon visit you. Intentionally leaving them for ready access by the felon or putting them where he can easily take possession is another story. Use common sense, put them away, close/lock the bedroom door, etc. just don't have them on display. If you do not like having to go these extra steps, keep felons, even family felons out of your home.
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If you're looking for a small safe for long guns, this is what I bought:
http://www.amazon.com/American-Furni.../dp/B00843USOI Holds my Mossberg 500 and shells, extra barrel, a machete, and a small dessicant pail with no problem. If you have more room I'd get something bigger, but for what I needed and our space concerns it was/is the perfect solution. I'm going to add a 22 rifle eventually and there's room left for that, but not much more. I'd say you could fit 4 long guns for sure and a 5th if you really try. |
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