45-110 shilo sharps

mconfluence · March 26, 2011, 06:37 PM

I am looking for a good place to order some new brass for my 23 year old unfired shilo sharps 45-110.I also am looking for some helpful info on what powders to use.I am molding my own bullets.

DaleA · March 26, 2011, 06:39 PM

Just curious, why so long unfired? Are you going to fire it when you get the brass?

mconfluence · March 26, 2011, 06:51 PM

My dad bought years ago had to pay for it to get it ordered and he passed away before it was delivered.He never even got to put his hands on it.For years I figured since he nevr got to fire it I did not have any desire to shot it.I figure if it would have been the other way around he would have shot it.So to your second question,Yes as soon as I get some brass and get some shells loaded BANG!I am gonna shot.

Don H · March 26, 2011, 07:19 PM

Might I suggest the powder the rifle was designed for - black powder.

DnPRK · March 26, 2011, 07:20 PM

Buffalo Arms

Use black powder. Goex Cartridge or 2Fg works best for cartridges. An 18-24" drop tube helps compress the powder, but you still need to use a special powder compression plug and compress in 2 stages.

Seat a 0.030" thick lubed fiber wad over the compressed powder. Then seat your soft cast lead lubed bullet. Use a non-petroleum based lube.

The bullet you use needs to be at least 0.001" larger than your bore. If your bore is a 0.458", then use a 0.459" bullet.

Experiment with different primers to see what works well for you. I have used WLR and 215s.

Google "how to load black powder cartridge rifle cartridges" for more info.

Its easier than it looks.

Use of a blow tube with at least 2 breaths between shots keeps the powder fouling soft.

mconfluence · March 26, 2011, 07:29 PM

Is it not able to shot any modern powder's?I was under the impression that I could use modern powder.

mehavey · March 26, 2011, 08:08 PM

While you can, we BPCR'rs don't generally recommend it. The case volume is too large for efficient use/uniform ignition of modern smokeless powders.

If you must, classic/available fast burners like IMR4227, IMR4198, and IMR3031 have been used (and are found in loading manuals), and a long favorite has been SR4759. Bullet weights over 400gr tend to be successful.

Trailboss has become the new/old darling for these big cases. If you must go smokeless, TB might be a safe place to start.

But what the heck... Go black and become part of an exclusive group.

Jim Watson · March 26, 2011, 08:24 PM

Lyman No 49 has smokeless data for the various long .45 cartridges, .45 x 2 7/8" (.45-110) included. Montana Bullet Works makes as good a store bought bullet as I have been able to find.
http://www.montanabulletworks.com/

Suggest you go with 500 grain bullets, if not heavier. Suggest you get a real good strap on shoulder pad or slip on butt pad to go with them.

But black powder loading is a fascinating activity, not to mention getting you into BPCR where a Sharps is really useful instead of just an expensive plinker.

Buffalo Arms has a lot of suitable equipment and supplies, brass and dies included.
Mike Venturino's book, Shooting the Buffalo Rifles has a lot of good information.
www.buffaloarms.com

mconfluence · March 26, 2011, 08:32 PM

What is BPCR?Thanks for the other helpful info.But I dont plan on shoting in any special sharps shots.Maybe an ocasional outting into the woods or seat in a corner of a field and shoot maybe a deer or even a ground hog.possible even a black bear.

mehavey · March 26, 2011, 09:36 PM

BPCR = Black Powder Cartridge Rifle

Honest, get some 1F or 2F Black and you'll find it very easy,

mconfluence · March 27, 2011, 07:32 AM

Ok since it seems that the suggestions is BP thats the way I will start.Now can I use tripple 7 and get the same results or pretty close results as BP.

DnPRK · March 27, 2011, 07:58 PM

Triple 7 should work if you can find load data.

mconfluence · March 27, 2011, 08:13 PM

Wouldn't the load be the same as black powder?

mehavey · March 27, 2011, 08:28 PM

No.

I just looked up Triple-7.
It made my head spin with all the eye-of-toad/tongue-of-newt lawyer talk on exact loading instructions and how it wasn't the same anything as black powder. Good Lord.

Go get some plain old 1F (or 2F in a pinch)

- Pour enough in the case to come up to the bottom of the seated bullet when vibrated into least possible volume.
- Put 2 milk carton wads in for compression
- Seat the bullet
- Shoot it.

March 26, 2011, 06:37 PM	#1
mconfluence Member Join Date: November 7, 2009 Posts: 63	45-110 shilo sharps I am looking for a good place to order some new brass for my 23 year old unfired shilo sharps 45-110.I also am looking for some helpful info on what powders to use.I am molding my own bullets.

March 26, 2011, 07:19 PM	#4
Don H Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2000 Location: SLC,Utah Posts: 2,704	Might I suggest the powder the rifle was designed for - black powder. __________________ Don http://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/forum/

March 26, 2011, 07:20 PM	#5
DnPRK Senior Member Join Date: August 24, 2001 Location: LC, Ca Posts: 1,917	Buffalo Arms Use black powder. Goex Cartridge or 2Fg works best for cartridges. An 18-24" drop tube helps compress the powder, but you still need to use a special powder compression plug and compress in 2 stages. Seat a 0.030" thick lubed fiber wad over the compressed powder. Then seat your soft cast lead lubed bullet. Use a non-petroleum based lube. The bullet you use needs to be at least 0.001" larger than your bore. If your bore is a 0.458", then use a 0.459" bullet. Experiment with different primers to see what works well for you. I have used WLR and 215s. Google "how to load black powder cartridge rifle cartridges" for more info. Its easier than it looks. Use of a blow tube with at least 2 breaths between shots keeps the powder fouling soft. Last edited by DnPRK; March 26, 2011 at 11:19 PM.

March 26, 2011, 08:08 PM	#7
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,885	While you can, we BPCR'rs don't generally recommend it. The case volume is too large for efficient use/uniform ignition of modern smokeless powders. If you must, classic/available fast burners like IMR4227, IMR4198, and IMR3031 have been used (and are found in loading manuals), and a long favorite has been SR4759. Bullet weights over 400gr tend to be successful. Trailboss has become the new/old darling for these big cases. If you must go smokeless, TB might be a safe place to start. But what the heck... Go black and become part of an exclusive group. Last edited by mehavey; March 26, 2011 at 08:16 PM.

March 26, 2011, 06:39 PM	#2
DaleA Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2002 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 5,312	Just curious, why so long unfired? Are you going to fire it when you get the brass?

March 26, 2011, 06:51 PM	#3
mconfluence Member Join Date: November 7, 2009 Posts: 63	My dad bought years ago had to pay for it to get it ordered and he passed away before it was delivered.He never even got to put his hands on it.For years I figured since he nevr got to fire it I did not have any desire to shot it.I figure if it would have been the other way around he would have shot it.So to your second question,Yes as soon as I get some brass and get some shells loaded BANG!I am gonna shot.

March 26, 2011, 07:29 PM	#6
mconfluence Member Join Date: November 7, 2009 Posts: 63	Is it not able to shot any modern powder's?I was under the impression that I could use modern powder.

March 26, 2011, 08:24 PM	#8
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,535	Lyman No 49 has smokeless data for the various long .45 cartridges, .45 x 2 7/8" (.45-110) included. Montana Bullet Works makes as good a store bought bullet as I have been able to find. http://www.montanabulletworks.com/ Suggest you go with 500 grain bullets, if not heavier. Suggest you get a real good strap on shoulder pad or slip on butt pad to go with them. But black powder loading is a fascinating activity, not to mention getting you into BPCR where a Sharps is really useful instead of just an expensive plinker. Buffalo Arms has a lot of suitable equipment and supplies, brass and dies included. Mike Venturino's book, Shooting the Buffalo Rifles has a lot of good information. www.buffaloarms.com

March 26, 2011, 08:32 PM	#9
mconfluence Member Join Date: November 7, 2009 Posts: 63	What is BPCR?Thanks for the other helpful info.But I dont plan on shoting in any special sharps shots.Maybe an ocasional outting into the woods or seat in a corner of a field and shoot maybe a deer or even a ground hog.possible even a black bear.

March 26, 2011, 09:36 PM	#10
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,885	BPCR = Black Powder Cartridge Rifle Honest, get some 1F or 2F Black and you'll find it very easy,

March 27, 2011, 07:32 AM	#11
mconfluence Member Join Date: November 7, 2009 Posts: 63	Ok since it seems that the suggestions is BP thats the way I will start.Now can I use tripple 7 and get the same results or pretty close results as BP.

March 27, 2011, 07:58 PM	#12
DnPRK Senior Member Join Date: August 24, 2001 Location: LC, Ca Posts: 1,917	Triple 7 should work if you can find load data.

March 27, 2011, 08:13 PM	#13
mconfluence Member Join Date: November 7, 2009 Posts: 63	Wouldn't the load be the same as black powder?

March 27, 2011, 08:28 PM	#14
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,885	No. I just looked up Triple-7. It made my head spin with all the eye-of-toad/tongue-of-newt lawyer talk on exact loading instructions and how it wasn't the same anything as black powder. Good Lord. Go get some plain old 1F (or 2F in a pinch) - Pour enough in the case to come up to the bottom of the seated bullet when vibrated into least possible volume. - Put 2 milk carton wads in for compression - Seat the bullet - Shoot it.