1851 Colt Navy cartridge firing models

oudidntno · March 17, 2009, 09:01 AM

Hi,

New to the forum. I love the 1851 Colt Navies for their look and feel. However, I want to purchase a smokeless cartridge firing model (not a b/p converted to cartridge but a repoduction gun manufactured with those components). I've looked at the Uberti's and Cimarron's, but the 1851 models I have found by both companies do not use the original plunger system of the b/p models. So to me, they look like they have been gutted and have lost the aesthetic appeal of the original 1851s. Therefore, does anyone out there know where I can find a 1851 repo. that fires modern ammo. and looks as close to a 1851 Colt Navy as possible- something like what was used in "The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly".

Thanks

CraigC · March 17, 2009, 09:21 AM

They are like the originals. On the original cartridge conversions, the rammer was removed and replaced with an ejector assembly. Which makes it awfully convenient for unloading. You're in luck though, Cimarron has a replica of the sixgun used in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Their "Man Without a Name" replica.

oudidntno · March 17, 2009, 10:39 AM

Thanks for the info. The loading lever is pretty much useless on the cartridge models, but for some reason its gives the gun more aesthetic appeal to me.

Tom2 · March 17, 2009, 05:32 PM

He wants to shoot smokeless. Shouldn't you use a bit of caution with smokeless loads in an open top conversion? like light loads or something??

mykeal · March 17, 2009, 06:51 PM

He should shoot the loads specified by the manufacturer of the gun. In the case of the Cimarron "Man With No Name", that's .38 Colt or .38 S&W Special. It's not .38 Special +P.

Johnywinslow · March 17, 2009, 07:02 PM

just my opinion on this, i too have been looking around at conversions, I prefer remingtons though, but i like the idea that i can load up BP and ball cap it and its just as deadly as if the .45lc cylender was in it, the ease to change out the cylenders is considerably faster then unloading one at a time then loading one at a time. I think its worth the money to use JUST the conversion cylenders in an otherweise cap and ball revolver. you have more versitility in that in a time of ammo shortage or in the case of the .45lc a money shortage you can still go out and shoot cap and ball with no modifications to the weapon at all other then simply switching out the cylender. and its AUTHENTIC!

olyinaz · March 17, 2009, 08:43 PM

Remington model 1875 has the look of a cap and ball revolver yet it was made for cartridges. Just a suggestion!

http://www.uberti.com/firearms/outla...and_police.php

Cheers,
Oly

Don P · March 20, 2009, 06:26 PM

The repops are designed to shoot metalic cartridges. Any idiot who chooses to shoot +p deserves the out come

CraigC · March 20, 2009, 07:18 PM

I think I'd rather have a handy dandy ejector. Also, IMHO, the factory cartridge conversions are better made guns than their percussion brethren. Costs about the same to buy a percussion pistol and then a conversion cylinder, which has to be removed every time you reload, as it does to buy a factory cartridge conversion. Think I'd rather pay the extra $250 to have two different guns.

madcratebuilder · March 20, 2009, 11:09 PM

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I think I'd rather have a handy dandy ejector. Also, IMHO, the factory cartridge conversions are better made guns than their percussion brethren. Costs about the same to buy a percussion pistol and then a conversion cylinder, which has to be removed every time you reload, as it does to buy a factory cartridge conversion. Think I'd rather pay the extra $250 to have two different guns.

Are you saying the the factory conversion guns are made from a different alloy? Better made? Fit and finish?

You can build a conversion with or with out an ejector and loading gate. Just depends on how involved you want to get.

I just don't see to point of a conversion with a safe full of SA revolvers already, although I would like a Colt 1861 Navy Richards-Mason Conversion. That would get my attention.

chucksolo69 · March 26, 2009, 02:11 PM

I believe Uberti has an 1851 Navy revolver in cap and ball that can be converted to cartridge by buying a conversion cylinder for it. I believe I saw it on their site.

ClemBert · March 26, 2009, 02:48 PM

This conversion sure is purty!

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March 17, 2009, 09:01 AM	#1
oudidntno Junior Member Join Date: March 17, 2009 Posts: 3	1851 Colt Navy cartridge firing models Hi, New to the forum. I love the 1851 Colt Navies for their look and feel. However, I want to purchase a smokeless cartridge firing model (not a b/p converted to cartridge but a repoduction gun manufactured with those components). I've looked at the Uberti's and Cimarron's, but the 1851 models I have found by both companies do not use the original plunger system of the b/p models. So to me, they look like they have been gutted and have lost the aesthetic appeal of the original 1851s. Therefore, does anyone out there know where I can find a 1851 repo. that fires modern ammo. and looks as close to a 1851 Colt Navy as possible- something like what was used in "The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly". Thanks Last edited by oudidntno; March 17, 2009 at 10:32 AM.

March 17, 2009, 05:32 PM	#4
Tom2 Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,676	He wants to shoot smokeless. Shouldn't you use a bit of caution with smokeless loads in an open top conversion? like light loads or something?? __________________ Your gun is like your nose, it is just wrong for someone else to pick it for you!

March 17, 2009, 08:43 PM	#7
olyinaz Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 877	Remington 1875 Remington model 1875 has the look of a cap and ball revolver yet it was made for cartridges. Just a suggestion! http://www.uberti.com/firearms/outla...and_police.php Cheers, Oly

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Don P Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2005 Location: Swamp dweller Posts: 6,187	The repops are designed to shoot metalic cartridges. Any idiot who chooses to shoot +p deserves the out come __________________ *NRA Life Member, NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, NRA Certified Pistol Instructor,, USPSA & Steel Challange NROI Range Officer, ICORE Range Officer, ,MAG 40 Graduate* *As you are, I once was, As I am, You will be.*

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March 17, 2009, 09:21 AM	#2
CraigC Junior member Join Date: November 28, 2001 Location: West Tennessee Posts: 4,300	They are like the originals. On the original cartridge conversions, the rammer was removed and replaced with an ejector assembly. Which makes it awfully convenient for unloading. You're in luck though, Cimarron has a replica of the sixgun used in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Their "Man Without a Name" replica.

March 17, 2009, 10:39 AM	#3
oudidntno Junior Member Join Date: March 17, 2009 Posts: 3	Thanks for the info. The loading lever is pretty much useless on the cartridge models, but for some reason its gives the gun more aesthetic appeal to me.

March 17, 2009, 06:51 PM	#5
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	He should shoot the loads specified by the manufacturer of the gun. In the case of the Cimarron "Man With No Name", that's .38 Colt or .38 S&W Special. It's not .38 Special +P.

March 17, 2009, 07:02 PM	#6
Johnywinslow Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2007 Posts: 131	just my opinion on this, i too have been looking around at conversions, I prefer remingtons though, but i like the idea that i can load up BP and ball cap it and its just as deadly as if the .45lc cylender was in it, the ease to change out the cylenders is considerably faster then unloading one at a time then loading one at a time. I think its worth the money to use JUST the conversion cylenders in an otherweise cap and ball revolver. you have more versitility in that in a time of ammo shortage or in the case of the .45lc a money shortage you can still go out and shoot cap and ball with no modifications to the weapon at all other then simply switching out the cylender. and its AUTHENTIC!

March 20, 2009, 07:18 PM	#9
CraigC Junior member Join Date: November 28, 2001 Location: West Tennessee Posts: 4,300	I think I'd rather have a handy dandy ejector. Also, IMHO, the factory cartridge conversions are better made guns than their percussion brethren. Costs about the same to buy a percussion pistol and then a conversion cylinder, which has to be removed every time you reload, as it does to buy a factory cartridge conversion. Think I'd rather pay the extra $250 to have two different guns.

March 26, 2009, 02:11 PM	#11
chucksolo69 Junior member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Posts: 255	I believe Uberti has an 1851 Navy revolver in cap and ball that can be converted to cartridge by buying a conversion cylinder for it. I believe I saw it on their site.

March 26, 2009, 02:48 PM	#12
ClemBert Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 936	This conversion sure is purty! 1858 Remington Conversion