Need Pistol ID

Hylander · February 19, 2011, 02:33 AM

This is all the info I have.

Black powder only - Made in Italy (on the left side of the
barrel); Cal. 44 (on left side); a stamp above the trigger towards
the front which is a circle that contains a symbol/brand of some
kind; on the right side of the gun, behind the barrel, on the
opposite side where it states 44 Cal are two stamps, one that
looks something like a shield and the other is "PN;" above the
trigger on the right side is the shield again, an AB within a
rectangle, and PN. two matching serial numbers in front of the
trigger and on the front end/barrel part (90761 matched to 761);
the trigger/guard/part looks to be brass; the handles are matched
wood (good fit).

Navy Arms Sheriffs Model. Grisald and Gunnison (Reb). 44 Cal

Ben Towe · February 19, 2011, 02:43 AM

Any chance for a picture?

Hylander · February 19, 2011, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Any chance for a picture?

I asked the seller for pics
Hoping to get them by tomorrow

Ben Towe · February 19, 2011, 03:15 AM

I see that you wrote it is a Navy Arms Sheriffs Model. What other info are you looking for?

Hylander · February 19, 2011, 03:32 AM

Quote:

I see that you wrote it is a Navy Arms Sheriffs Model. What other info are you looking for?

What or who is Grisald and Gunnison, is that the maker ?

Ben Towe · February 19, 2011, 04:12 AM

Griswold and Gunnison were Confederate arms makers. They built copies of Colt's 1851 Navy. The originals were .36 caliber. What you have is a replica in .44 caliber. My guess is it was built by Pietta or Uberti and imported by Navy Arms.
That's my best guess without a picture.

Kadmos · February 19, 2011, 04:20 AM

Griswold and Gunnison was the maker of a .36 caliber revolver made for the Confederate army during the civil war. Basically it was a brass framed 1851 colt navy.

Some good info on the original

http://www.vincelewis.net/griswold.html

Yours is a reproduction, made in Italy obviously.

The circle brand/symbol thing..does it look a bit like this?

That would be Uberti (the maker)

Most of the other marks you describe are proof marks stating that the gun was tested

The AB in the rectangle dates your gun to 1976

Here is a good page with info on the various proof marks (PDF warning)

https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/P...Proofmarks.pdf

Hawg · February 19, 2011, 05:42 AM

Uberti doesn't make a brass frame anything. They did a few in the early days but haven't for many years.

Hellgate · February 19, 2011, 09:41 PM

A circle with overlapping letters "DGG" would be an Armi San Poalo/Euroarms.

Hylander · February 19, 2011, 10:46 PM

A Couple of Pics

junkman_01 · February 20, 2011, 06:36 AM

All those pictures show are the standard Italian proof mark (for any firearm), the black pwder proof mark (PN), and the date stamp (AB=1976).

Ben Towe · February 20, 2011, 06:44 AM

Taking a peek under the loading lever might reveal a manufacturer.
junkman: where can one find a list of the date stamps?

junkman_01 · February 20, 2011, 06:47 AM

Date stamps...

https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/P...Proofmarks.pdf

Ben Towe · February 20, 2011, 06:52 AM

Many thanks...

Hawg · February 20, 2011, 07:38 AM

It's most likely Pietta but could be ASP or ASM.

Hylander · February 20, 2011, 01:12 PM

OK:
So it is a 1976
Also it has another stamp that looks to be the Palmetto Palm Tree.
So with that, is it worth anything ?
Worth fixing, reblueing ?

Hawg · February 20, 2011, 01:18 PM

That would make it a Palmetto. Not the best quality.

Hellgate · February 20, 2011, 04:13 PM

What I'm impressed by is the generous cutout under the rammer to make room for ramming in the lead. That gun might just take the 200gr conicals but that could risk stretching the frame if using more than about 20grs powder..

Hawg · February 20, 2011, 04:29 PM

No way I would use 20 grains with a conical in a brass frame.

February 19, 2011, 02:33 AM	#1
Hylander Senior Member Join Date: August 13, 2008 Location: California Posts: 128	Need Pistol ID This is all the info I have. Black powder only - Made in Italy (on the left side of the barrel); Cal. 44 (on left side); a stamp above the trigger towards the front which is a circle that contains a symbol/brand of some kind; on the right side of the gun, behind the barrel, on the opposite side where it states 44 Cal are two stamps, one that looks something like a shield and the other is "PN;" above the trigger on the right side is the shield again, an AB within a rectangle, and PN. two matching serial numbers in front of the trigger and on the front end/barrel part (90761 matched to 761); the trigger/guard/part looks to be brass; the handles are matched wood (good fit). Navy Arms Sheriffs Model. Grisald and Gunnison (Reb). 44 Cal __________________ Today is my Best Day. Lincoln, Ca.

February 19, 2011, 02:43 AM	#2
Ben Towe Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2009 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 1,128	Any chance for a picture? __________________ 'Merica: Back to back World War Champs

February 19, 2011, 03:15 AM	#4
Ben Towe Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2009 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 1,128	I see that you wrote it is a Navy Arms Sheriffs Model. What other info are you looking for? __________________ 'Merica: Back to back World War Champs

February 19, 2011, 04:12 AM	#6
Ben Towe Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2009 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 1,128	Griswold and Gunnison were Confederate arms makers. They built copies of Colt's 1851 Navy. The originals were .36 caliber. What you have is a replica in .44 caliber. My guess is it was built by Pietta or Uberti and imported by Navy Arms. That's my best guess without a picture. __________________ 'Merica: Back to back World War Champs

February 19, 2011, 09:41 PM	#9
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	A circle with overlapping letters "DGG" would be an Armi San Poalo/Euroarms. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

February 19, 2011, 04:20 AM	#7
Kadmos Member Join Date: April 27, 2010 Posts: 93	Griswold and Gunnison was the maker of a .36 caliber revolver made for the Confederate army during the civil war. Basically it was a brass framed 1851 colt navy. Some good info on the original http://www.vincelewis.net/griswold.html Yours is a reproduction, made in Italy obviously. The circle brand/symbol thing..does it look a bit like this? That would be Uberti (the maker) Most of the other marks you describe are proof marks stating that the gun was tested The AB in the rectangle dates your gun to 1976 Here is a good page with info on the various proof marks (PDF warning) https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/P...Proofmarks.pdf

February 19, 2011, 05:42 AM	#8
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Uberti doesn't make a brass frame anything. They did a few in the early days but haven't for many years.

February 20, 2011, 06:36 AM	#11
junkman_01 Junior member Join Date: November 9, 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 260	All those pictures show are the standard Italian proof mark (for any firearm), the black pwder proof mark (PN), and the date stamp (AB=1976).

February 20, 2011, 06:44 AM	#12
Ben Towe Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2009 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 1,128	Taking a peek under the loading lever might reveal a manufacturer. junkman: where can one find a list of the date stamps? __________________ 'Merica: Back to back World War Champs

February 20, 2011, 06:47 AM	#13
junkman_01 Junior member Join Date: November 9, 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 260	Date stamps... https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/P...Proofmarks.pdf

February 20, 2011, 06:52 AM	#14
Ben Towe Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2009 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 1,128	Many thanks... __________________ 'Merica: Back to back World War Champs

February 20, 2011, 07:38 AM	#15
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	It's most likely Pietta but could be ASP or ASM.

February 20, 2011, 01:12 PM	#16
Hylander Senior Member Join Date: August 13, 2008 Location: California Posts: 128	OK: So it is a 1976 Also it has another stamp that looks to be the Palmetto Palm Tree. So with that, is it worth anything ? Worth fixing, reblueing ? __________________ Today is my Best Day. Lincoln, Ca.

February 20, 2011, 01:18 PM	#17
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	That would make it a Palmetto. Not the best quality.

February 20, 2011, 04:13 PM	#18
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	What I'm impressed by is the generous cutout under the rammer to make room for ramming in the lead. That gun might just take the 200gr conicals but that could risk stretching the frame if using more than about 20grs powder.. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

February 20, 2011, 04:29 PM	#19
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	No way I would use 20 grains with a conical in a brass frame.