Caesar Guerini Summit Trap

Solid Hit · July 13, 2023, 08:15 AM

Looking for opinions and/or advice on using the CG for trap.

Scorpion8 · July 13, 2023, 11:05 AM

CG shotguns and especially the O/U's are well regarded, and I've known a few who used them at trap. Considering that the Summit Trap is listed under their trap shotguns, it should be fine as long as the fit and mount are adjusted to you.

stuckinthe60s · July 14, 2023, 05:00 AM

top dollar top quality. they come in many variations and options. shop carefully to suit your needs.

Solid Hit · July 14, 2023, 10:13 AM

I've got a Summit Trap coming on Monday.

Scorpion8 · July 14, 2023, 11:01 AM

Nice! Enjoy that.

stuckinthe60s · July 18, 2023, 05:02 AM

make sure you have the correct cast in the stock for your needs.

eastbank · July 18, 2023, 10:32 AM

one of our trap shooters uses one(don,t know the model) and he,s one of the top shooters.

FITASC · July 18, 2023, 05:31 PM

That high rib should allow you a more erect posture - which most trap shooters seem to prefer

Solid Hit · July 20, 2023, 07:30 AM

I picked it up Tuesday and patterned it. I got to shoot a round of trap yesterday and did mediocre. I made some changes to the stock last night and I'll try it again today. Beautiful gun and the birds I hit got smoked - using a Mod choke, it is a tight pattern.

FITASC · July 20, 2023, 06:49 PM

Great! The beauty of the adjustable comb is that it allows you the ability to fine tune the fit a bit better for you. While not the only factor for fit, it does help. Enjoy it, but realize, you might need some outings to get yourself used to it.

Solid Hit · July 20, 2023, 07:11 PM

Comb AND rib!

stuckinthe60s · July 21, 2023, 10:05 AM

the classic mistake new gun owners make is they blame the gun for anything off.
before you fall into the trap of tweeking this and that....just shoot it until you see a pattern of issues i/e: always taking off the top of the bird, taking off the bottom, having to move your head to get your figure 8, etc...
it may be just you learning the new gun for now. once youre sold on it being a gun issue, adjust only then.
good shooting. have some safe fun.

Nathan · July 21, 2023, 11:29 AM

CG makes a heck of a shotgun in my opinion. Doing the research, they seem like the best higher end gun for high volume. Their wear part in the lock up is replaceable with little to no fitting. This is important in Sporting use as you can hit those high numbers that are hard on shotguns.

I unfortunately, as a poor, live with my Browning! Browning like most of the better makers makes a great gun, but when it wears, it needs welded up and refit which is a difficult craftsman’s process that can take months to complete.

FITASC · July 22, 2023, 07:26 PM

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CG makes a heck of a shotgun in my opinion. Doing the research, they seem like the best higher end gun for high volume. Their wear part in the lock up is replaceable with little to no fitting. This is important in Sporting use as you can hit those high numbers that are hard on shotguns.

I unfortunately, as a poor, live with my Browning! Browning like most of the better makers makes a great gun, but when it wears, it needs welded up and refit which is a difficult craftsman’s process that can take months to complete.

One of my Brownings from 1994 has over 350k through it; springs and firing pins replaced at 90K; it's due now but I now shoot a Beretta DT-11. CG isn't a bad gun at all; but Zoli and Blazer are not my=uch higher before you get to the Perazzi/Kolar/Kreighoff level

Jim Watson · July 23, 2023, 12:36 PM

An old Trap and Field item described the ATA member who was at 900,000+ registered targets, hoping to make a million. Wonder how much practice he shot.
He said the Browning lifetime guarantee did not mean much. He got tired of wearing them out and went to an Ithaca single which he only had to replace the mainspring in about twice a year.

When I got out of college, I bought a Superposed 20 ga magnum because Frederick E. Sell said it was the thing to have. Well, it wasn't; I took an interest in Trap and traded it for a second hand Broadway. After a few years it was getting a little wobbly so I sent it off to Arnold, MO. It came back tightened up by, as best I could tell, putting in oversize extractors.

stuckinthe60s · July 23, 2023, 03:58 PM

that's funny.

Ricklin · July 25, 2023, 06:10 AM

Shoot more, adjust less.

stuckinthe60s · July 26, 2023, 03:53 PM

amen.

Solid Hit · July 26, 2023, 05:44 PM

My average before the Guerini was ~22. My first 2 rounds with the new gun were only 18. I've made some minor adjustments since then and we'll see how that helps me, hopefully, tomorrow. The gun was shooting 80/20 or higher, which doesn't work for me. I prefer 70/30 or 65/35.

stuckinthe60s · July 27, 2023, 01:20 PM

have you put your gun to paper yet?

Solid Hit · July 27, 2023, 07:11 PM

If you are asking if I patterned it yet, the answer is yes but not since I made the adjustments. I'll do that tomorrow after I install the Falcon Strike that should be here tomorrow also.

FITASC · July 27, 2023, 07:28 PM

Shoot 1oz or less at 1200-1250 will help as well as far as recoil. The pattern plate can give you some useful info as regards POI/POA

Solid Hit · July 27, 2023, 08:20 PM

As you can see, in reply 19 I talked about the percentage of shot in POI/POA. I am a strong believer in using the pattern board to check those measurements. The recoil issue I am having has to do with my previous guns and not with the Guerini but it needed a new pad anyway so I went with the Falcon Strike.

July 13, 2023, 08:15 AM	#1
Solid Hit Member Join Date: January 4, 2013 Posts: 16	Caesar Guerini Summit Trap Looking for opinions and/or advice on using the CG for trap. __________________ The hardest part of an argument is when you realize you are wrong. Don't Poodle my Doodle

July 13, 2023, 11:05 AM	#2
Scorpion8 Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2011 Location: SouthEast AK Posts: 117	CG shotguns and especially the O/U's are well regarded, and I've known a few who used them at trap. Considering that the Summit Trap is listed under their trap shotguns, it should be fine as long as the fit and mount are adjusted to you. __________________ Retired USN Pain heals..... chicks dig scars......Glory, lasts forever!

July 14, 2023, 05:00 AM	#3
stuckinthe60s Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2017 Location: Va., Ct., Mo.. Posts: 878	top dollar top quality. they come in many variations and options. shop carefully to suit your needs. __________________ Retired Military Aviation Former Member Navy Shooting Team Distinguished Pistol Shot,NRA Shotgun/Pistol Instructor NSSA All American, Skeet/Trap Range Owner

July 14, 2023, 11:01 AM	#5
Scorpion8 Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2011 Location: SouthEast AK Posts: 117	Nice! Enjoy that. __________________ Retired USN Pain heals..... chicks dig scars......Glory, lasts forever!

July 18, 2023, 05:02 AM	#6
stuckinthe60s Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2017 Location: Va., Ct., Mo.. Posts: 878	make sure you have the correct cast in the stock for your needs. __________________ Retired Military Aviation Former Member Navy Shooting Team Distinguished Pistol Shot,NRA Shotgun/Pistol Instructor NSSA All American, Skeet/Trap Range Owner

July 18, 2023, 10:32 AM	#7
eastbank Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2008 Location: pa. Posts: 2,450	one of our trap shooters uses one(don,t know the model) and he,s one of the top shooters.

July 18, 2023, 05:31 PM	#8
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	That high rib should allow you a more erect posture - which most trap shooters seem to prefer __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

July 20, 2023, 07:30 AM	#9
Solid Hit Member Join Date: January 4, 2013 Posts: 16	I picked it up Tuesday and patterned it. I got to shoot a round of trap yesterday and did mediocre. I made some changes to the stock last night and I'll try it again today. Beautiful gun and the birds I hit got smoked - using a Mod choke, it is a tight pattern. __________________ The hardest part of an argument is when you realize you are wrong. Don't Poodle my Doodle

July 20, 2023, 06:49 PM	#10
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Great! The beauty of the adjustable comb is that it allows you the ability to fine tune the fit a bit better for you. While not the only factor for fit, it does help. Enjoy it, but realize, you might need some outings to get yourself used to it. __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

July 20, 2023, 07:11 PM	#11
Solid Hit Member Join Date: January 4, 2013 Posts: 16	Comb AND rib! __________________ The hardest part of an argument is when you realize you are wrong. Don't Poodle my Doodle

July 21, 2023, 10:05 AM	#12
stuckinthe60s Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2017 Location: Va., Ct., Mo.. Posts: 878	the classic mistake new gun owners make is they blame the gun for anything off. before you fall into the trap of tweeking this and that....just shoot it until you see a pattern of issues i/e: always taking off the top of the bird, taking off the bottom, having to move your head to get your figure 8, etc... it may be just you learning the new gun for now. once youre sold on it being a gun issue, adjust only then. good shooting. have some safe fun. __________________ Retired Military Aviation Former Member Navy Shooting Team Distinguished Pistol Shot,NRA Shotgun/Pistol Instructor NSSA All American, Skeet/Trap Range Owner

July 21, 2023, 11:29 AM	#13
Nathan Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2001 Posts: 6,334	CG makes a heck of a shotgun in my opinion. Doing the research, they seem like the best higher end gun for high volume. Their wear part in the lock up is replaceable with little to no fitting. This is important in Sporting use as you can hit those high numbers that are hard on shotguns. I unfortunately, as a poor, live with my Browning! Browning like most of the better makers makes a great gun, but when it wears, it needs welded up and refit which is a difficult craftsman’s process that can take months to complete.

July 23, 2023, 12:36 PM	#15
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,545	An old Trap and Field item described the ATA member who was at 900,000+ registered targets, hoping to make a million. Wonder how much practice he shot. He said the Browning lifetime guarantee did not mean much. He got tired of wearing them out and went to an Ithaca single which he only had to replace the mainspring in about twice a year. When I got out of college, I bought a Superposed 20 ga magnum because Frederick E. Sell said it was the thing to have. Well, it wasn't; I took an interest in Trap and traded it for a second hand Broadway. After a few years it was getting a little wobbly so I sent it off to Arnold, MO. It came back tightened up by, as best I could tell, putting in oversize extractors.

July 23, 2023, 03:58 PM	#16
stuckinthe60s Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2017 Location: Va., Ct., Mo.. Posts: 878	that's funny. __________________ Retired Military Aviation Former Member Navy Shooting Team Distinguished Pistol Shot,NRA Shotgun/Pistol Instructor NSSA All American, Skeet/Trap Range Owner

July 25, 2023, 06:10 AM	#17
Ricklin Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2008 Location: SW Washington state Posts: 2,018	Shoot more, adjust less. __________________ ricklin Freedom is not free

July 26, 2023, 03:53 PM	#18
stuckinthe60s Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2017 Location: Va., Ct., Mo.. Posts: 878	amen. __________________ Retired Military Aviation Former Member Navy Shooting Team Distinguished Pistol Shot,NRA Shotgun/Pistol Instructor NSSA All American, Skeet/Trap Range Owner

July 26, 2023, 05:44 PM	#19
Solid Hit Member Join Date: January 4, 2013 Posts: 16	My average before the Guerini was ~22. My first 2 rounds with the new gun were only 18. I've made some minor adjustments since then and we'll see how that helps me, hopefully, tomorrow. The gun was shooting 80/20 or higher, which doesn't work for me. I prefer 70/30 or 65/35. __________________ The hardest part of an argument is when you realize you are wrong. Don't Poodle my Doodle

July 27, 2023, 01:20 PM	#20
stuckinthe60s Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2017 Location: Va., Ct., Mo.. Posts: 878	have you put your gun to paper yet? __________________ Retired Military Aviation Former Member Navy Shooting Team Distinguished Pistol Shot,NRA Shotgun/Pistol Instructor NSSA All American, Skeet/Trap Range Owner

July 27, 2023, 07:11 PM	#21
Solid Hit Member Join Date: January 4, 2013 Posts: 16	If you are asking if I patterned it yet, the answer is yes but not since I made the adjustments. I'll do that tomorrow after I install the Falcon Strike that should be here tomorrow also. __________________ The hardest part of an argument is when you realize you are wrong. Don't Poodle my Doodle

July 27, 2023, 07:28 PM	#22
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Shoot 1oz or less at 1200-1250 will help as well as far as recoil. The pattern plate can give you some useful info as regards POI/POA __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

July 27, 2023, 08:20 PM	#23
Solid Hit Member Join Date: January 4, 2013 Posts: 16	As you can see, in reply 19 I talked about the percentage of shot in POI/POA. I am a strong believer in using the pattern board to check those measurements. The recoil issue I am having has to do with my previous guns and not with the Guerini but it needed a new pad anyway so I went with the Falcon Strike. __________________ The hardest part of an argument is when you realize you are wrong. Don't Poodle my Doodle