30-284?

Bushwack · May 2, 2000, 05:03 PM

I'm looking for information on how to form cases for this round & load data or best guess on a starting point.

TIA
Bushwack

**Mike Irwin** · May 2, 2000, 09:59 PM

Forming cases is done simply by running the standard .284 case over a .30 caliber expander button. Just make certain that everything is lubricated nicely. This isn't a big step up, so you shouldn't lose any cases to neck splitting, especially if they are new.

Afterwards, if the rifle has a different shoulder configuration than what is already on the .284's case, fire form to your chamber with 10 to 15 grains of Red Dot powder with the rest of the case filled with cream of wheat, or with a lead bullet (bullets for the .32-20 work nicely) that is seated finger tight.

You can also simply try fire forming the cases without the sizing die, but you might not get very good results.

SKR · May 3, 2000, 12:35 AM

http://www.again.net/~steve/page8a.htm

Tom Matiska · May 3, 2000, 09:20 AM

My Hodgdon #25 manual lists loads for the 3006 and 30/284 as one in the same.

Tom

[This message has been edited by Tom Matiska (edited May 03, 2000).]

TaxPhd · May 3, 2000, 12:32 PM

Bushwack,

Why would you want to do this? The .284 is a 30-06 necked down to .284 (7mm). A .30-.284 would just recreate the .30-06. And as has been pointed out, the loads are the same.

I don't get it, unless you want a wildcat that you can use factory ammo in.

Tom Matiska · May 3, 2000, 02:48 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TaxPhd:
[B]Bushwack,

>>The .284 is a 30-06 necked down to .284 (7mm).<<

Not quite. The .284 has a rebated rim and for purposes of this debate is a 3006 capacity round that is .308 length that has the same bolt face as a 308. The shorter action has possibilites but.......

>>A .30-.284 would just recreate the .30-06. And as has been pointed out, the loads are the same.<<

I was about to scratch the 284 itch when I compared it to the 7mm/08. The slight difference between the two is about the same as two inches of barrel length. ie a 7mm/08 with a 24 inch barrel gives the same performance as a 284 with a 22 inch barrel.

That is where the water gets muddy. I like my deer guns short and sweet, but the tradeoff between medium/long actions and 22"/24" barrels is a fine line to argue over. The .284 (and related wildcats) are great short actions rounds that don't do their best in short barrels.

I wondered for years why the round wasn't more popular, but maybe the market place was right.

(but it is still on my Xmas list <g> )
Tom

Bushwack · May 4, 2000, 09:31 AM

Tom is right. I have a short action 308W with a 26" barrel & am looking for something to push the heavier bullets at longer ranges. I wasn't even sure this round had been tried before but found out it had with some success. I figured since it is something like .155" longer than the 308W with a .030" wider body it would be a good round to rechamber my 308W with. I am just in the "Thinking" stage of this preject & needed some advice. I appreciate all your responces.

Thanks
Bushwack

TaxPhd · May 4, 2000, 01:45 PM

Whoops, my bad.

You all are right. I was thinking of some of the early wildcatting of necked down .30-06 that led to the 7mm express/.280 Rem.

.284 is indeed rebated rim/short action.

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May 2, 2000, 05:03 PM	#1
Bushwack Junior Member Join Date: May 8, 1999 Posts: 9	I'm looking for information on how to form cases for this round & load data or best guess on a starting point. TIA Bushwack

May 2, 2000, 09:59 PM	#2
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	Forming cases is done simply by running the standard .284 case over a .30 caliber expander button. Just make certain that everything is lubricated nicely. This isn't a big step up, so you shouldn't lose any cases to neck splitting, especially if they are new. Afterwards, if the rifle has a different shoulder configuration than what is already on the .284's case, fire form to your chamber with 10 to 15 grains of Red Dot powder with the rest of the case filled with cream of wheat, or with a lead bullet (bullets for the .32-20 work nicely) that is seated finger tight. You can also simply try fire forming the cases without the sizing die, but you might not get very good results.

May 3, 2000, 12:35 AM	#3
SKR Member Join Date: April 8, 2000 Posts: 68	http://www.again.net/~steve/page8a.htm

May 3, 2000, 09:20 AM	#4
Tom Matiska Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2000 Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pa Posts: 1,029	My Hodgdon #25 manual lists loads for the 3006 and 30/284 as one in the same. Tom [This message has been edited by Tom Matiska (edited May 03, 2000).]

May 3, 2000, 12:32 PM	#5
TaxPhd Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 534	Bushwack, Why would you want to do this? The .284 is a 30-06 necked down to .284 (7mm). A .30-.284 would just recreate the .30-06. And as has been pointed out, the loads are the same. I don't get it, unless you want a wildcat that you can use factory ammo in.

May 3, 2000, 02:48 PM	#6
Tom Matiska Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2000 Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pa Posts: 1,029	[QUOTE]Originally posted by TaxPhd: [B]Bushwack, >>The .284 is a 30-06 necked down to .284 (7mm).<< Not quite. The .284 has a rebated rim and for purposes of this debate is a 3006 capacity round that is .308 length that has the same bolt face as a 308. The shorter action has possibilites but....... >>A .30-.284 would just recreate the .30-06. And as has been pointed out, the loads are the same.<< I was about to scratch the 284 itch when I compared it to the 7mm/08. The slight difference between the two is about the same as two inches of barrel length. ie a 7mm/08 with a 24 inch barrel gives the same performance as a 284 with a 22 inch barrel. That is where the water gets muddy. I like my deer guns short and sweet, but the tradeoff between medium/long actions and 22"/24" barrels is a fine line to argue over. The .284 (and related wildcats) are great short actions rounds that don't do their best in short barrels. I wondered for years why the round wasn't more popular, but maybe the market place was right. (but it is still on my Xmas list <g> ) Tom

May 4, 2000, 09:31 AM	#7
Bushwack Junior Member Join Date: May 8, 1999 Posts: 9	Tom is right. I have a short action 308W with a 26" barrel & am looking for something to push the heavier bullets at longer ranges. I wasn't even sure this round had been tried before but found out it had with some success. I figured since it is something like .155" longer than the 308W with a .030" wider body it would be a good round to rechamber my 308W with. I am just in the "Thinking" stage of this preject & needed some advice. I appreciate all your responces. Thanks Bushwack

May 4, 2000, 01:45 PM	#8
TaxPhd Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 534	Whoops, my bad. You all are right. I was thinking of some of the early wildcatting of necked down .30-06 that led to the 7mm express/.280 Rem. .284 is indeed rebated rim/short action.