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Old September 7, 2015, 01:30 PM   #1
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Load data 9mm

I like to ask any one have any loading data using bulleye and winchester 231?
bullet: Extreme FP R.N. 135 gr.Copper Coated
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Old September 7, 2015, 01:51 PM   #2
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Hi. You don't need manufacturer specific data. Just the weight and cast or jacketed. Plated bullets use cast data.
There's one 136 grain Win 231 LRN load on Handloads.com. Unverified and the 1 grain won't matter. Guy says 4.5 produces 1,084 fps.
There are also a few unverified, 135 grain, plated, bullet Bullseye loads on Reloader's Nest. One says 4.0 (1001 fps). One guy posted two unverified loads with the same 135 LRN of 3.8 and 4.0.
Reduce either by 10% and work up.
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Old September 8, 2015, 07:51 PM   #3
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What is Win231?

Been reloading 2 years now and never seen any.
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Old September 8, 2015, 08:08 PM   #4
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Win231 is the same as HP-38, a very desirable powder that according to some recent posts may be on the way out. If you are trying to find some, Reloading Unlimited has been having it but right at this moment say they only have four one lb cans available so with hazmat fee would probably not be a wise purchase, but do have eight of the eight lb containers at about $180. If interested search for it as HP-38. From your , you know what it is but just haven't found any and are putting us on, pretending ignorance (but we know you professors, not as absent minded as you like others to believe ).
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Old September 9, 2015, 10:53 PM   #5
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HP 38 is the powder that Recob's had last week that I got 4 pounds of!!
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Old September 10, 2015, 01:34 AM   #6
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Plated bullets MAY use cast data. It depends on the specific bullet and the reloader. I load my cast bullets to jacketed specs as mine are hard cast. Berrys 115 grain 9mm have a thick plateing so I load them to jacketed data.

I have used 231 in the past when I could find it.
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Old September 10, 2015, 12:30 PM   #7
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Been loading for 40 plus years and never bothered looking for it. Pretty much use Bullseye for everything except the .41 AE Experiment. Ain't no cast .410" bullets up here.
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Old September 10, 2015, 02:35 PM   #8
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I just got in from the indoor range testing a few 9MM loads
I have drop 4.2 grains win:231 and 135 gr.F.P. R.N. extreme C.O.A.L. 1.145 did a nice group at 15 yards two hand hold un-supported
The next load that really surprise me was 3.7 grains of bulleye and the 135 bullet again same stand at 15 yards did about 1 1/2" not bad for the ruger striker sr9.
I came to a conclusion the sights on the ruger are nice for combat or steel plates but bulleye shooting I wonder id there is something better out there in the way of sights.
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Old September 10, 2015, 03:55 PM   #9
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What is Win231?

Been reloading 2 years now and never seen any
It is a mythical substance that some very old people of questionable neurologic status claim to have seen and used in their youth.
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Old September 10, 2015, 05:11 PM   #10
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Well, right now today, Reloading Unlimited says they have nine of the one lb cans of HP-38 in stock; if you need it, go for it.
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Old September 10, 2015, 06:18 PM   #11
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Do you have several reloading manuals? There are online sources which can be compared to your reloading manuals.

For W231/HP-38 example:

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

For Alliant Bullseye example:

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloade...23&bulletid=26

Please note your bullet weight must be taken into account when determining powder charges!
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Old September 10, 2015, 07:03 PM   #12
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Just to be a horse's rear end, do you want 9x17, 9x18, 9x19, 9x21, 9x23, or some other 9mm load data?
If you load strange bullet weights for the cartridge, load data can be hard to come by.
Assuming 9x19, all I have for lead/plated 135-136 gn bullets is 3.5 start to 4.5gn MAX 231/HP38 (and that is from just one manual) and nothing for Bullseye.
Data for 135-136 gn jacketed bullets is even less, with nothing for those powders.
You can use data for heavier bullets. In this case, 145-148gn lead/plated bullets would be start loads ranging from 2.2-3.3gn and MAX loads of 3.5-4.0gn 231/HP38 and start loads of 2.8-3.3gn and MAX loads of 3.5-4.2gn of Bullseye.
You are solely responsible for your load work-up.
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Old September 14, 2015, 10:41 AM   #13
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Plated bullets MAY use cast data. It depends on the specific bullet and the reloader. I load my cast bullets to jacketed specs as mine are hard cast. Berrys 115 grain 9mm have a thick plateing so I load them to jacketed data.

I have used 231 in the past when I could find it.
"MAY" is exactly right. I loaded some 38 special with a 125 grain plated bullet that I used cast lead data for. Stuck the bullet in the barrel. I used the same powder charge for a cast lead bullet and everything worked perfectly fine. I've been using the lower end of the jacketed data for my plated bullet loadings.
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