Universal clays v universal

bcsi · May 10, 2016, 02:00 PM

I have loaded 45 calibre using 200 grn cast bullets...I checked numerous sources and found 5.5 grains of universal...is that the same as universal clays...it isconfusing...anybody help?

Jim Watson · May 10, 2016, 02:08 PM

Yes.

FITASC · May 10, 2016, 04:07 PM

Universal Clays is the OLD name; too many found it confusing having Clays, Universal Clays, and International Clays. Since mfg has been moved and the formula changed slightly, remember to use the correct data for the powder you have.

noylj · May 11, 2016, 02:30 AM

Yes, and then someone used UNIVERSAL clays data for CLAYS and rocked their world.

Jim Watson · May 11, 2016, 07:58 AM

If Clays, International Clays, and Universal Clays are confusing names, why does nobody have trouble keeping Red Dot, Green Dot, and Blue Dot apart?

"Load 33 grains of Dot in that there shell, boy."

Or Hodgdon and IMR numbers. "Why can't I load 60 grains of 4895 in my .270? Sure, I know you said 4831, but it's only 64 different. That ain't much out of 4000."

I do know people who refer to loading 5 grains of Vihtavuori. Vihtavuori WHAT? They make about 30 different grades.

FITASC · May 11, 2016, 10:35 AM

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"Why can't I load 60 grains of 4895 in my .270? Sure, I know you said 4831,

Don't forget about IMR 4831 and H4831 and IMR 4895 and H4895. While close, not the same.

And let's not forget that the Clays family also works well in handguns, and using the wrong one there can be an issue.......

mikld · May 11, 2016, 12:01 PM

Well, you can't change human nature, and some are quite easily confused

. I suggest to new reloaders to find a load in a published manual, write the load down and tape it to the powder measure. Keep the powder bottle on the bench right next to the reloading "station". Sit down and review everything in front of you, reading aloud the powder charge and bullet. During the session, I suggest a double check every once in a while also noting the scale setting. It ain't as complicated nor time consuming as it sounds and it's help eliminate any loads of Green Dot loaded to Blue Dot levels...

bcsi · May 11, 2016, 06:24 PM

Knew I could count on you guys, thanks

May 10, 2016, 02:00 PM	#1
bcsi Junior Member Join Date: April 16, 2015 Posts: 4	Universal clays v universal I have loaded 45 calibre using 200 grn cast bullets...I checked numerous sources and found 5.5 grains of universal...is that the same as universal clays...it isconfusing...anybody help?

May 10, 2016, 04:07 PM	#3
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Universal Clays is the OLD name; too many found it confusing having Clays, Universal Clays, and International Clays. Since mfg has been moved and the formula changed slightly, remember to use the correct data for the powder you have. __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

May 11, 2016, 12:01 PM	#7
mikld Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2009 Location: Southern Oregon! Posts: 2,891	Well, you can't change human nature, and some are quite easily confused. I suggest to new reloaders to find a load in a published manual, write the load down and tape it to the powder measure. Keep the powder bottle on the bench right next to the reloading "station". Sit down and review everything in front of you, reading aloud the powder charge and bullet. During the session, I suggest a double check every once in a while also noting the scale setting. It ain't as complicated nor time consuming as it sounds and it's help eliminate any loads of Green Dot loaded to Blue Dot levels... __________________ My Anchor is holding fast! I've learned how to stand on my own two knees...

May 11, 2016, 06:24 PM	#8
bcsi Junior Member Join Date: April 16, 2015 Posts: 4	Universal clays v universal Knew I could count on you guys, thanks

May 10, 2016, 02:08 PM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	Yes.

May 11, 2016, 02:30 AM	#4
noylj Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 2007 Location: Between CA and NM Posts: 858	Yes, and then someone used UNIVERSAL clays data for CLAYS and rocked their world.

May 11, 2016, 07:58 AM	#5
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	If Clays, International Clays, and Universal Clays are confusing names, why does nobody have trouble keeping Red Dot, Green Dot, and Blue Dot apart? "Load 33 grains of Dot in that there shell, boy." Or Hodgdon and IMR numbers. "Why can't I load 60 grains of 4895 in my .270? Sure, I know you said 4831, but it's only 64 different. That ain't much out of 4000." I do know people who refer to loading 5 grains of Vihtavuori. Vihtavuori WHAT? They make about 30 different grades.