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Yes, I would sue no matter the circumstances or explanation. | 36 | 28.35% | |
No, I would weigh the circumstances and explanation carefully. | 91 | 71.65% | |
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July 25, 2010, 12:50 PM | #26 | |||
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I understand that many forum members do not have the level of coverage that is provided to me; in that case, you'd have to do what's best for you.
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July 25, 2010, 12:54 PM | #27 |
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The insurance companies are going to do what they are going to do. However, I am not talking about the insurance companies. I mean where you go out to purposely hire an attorney for the specific purpose of filing a lawsuit in the courts. I dont mean filing a claim with the state or an insurance company. I dont mean the insurance company filing suit on your behalf.
Of course, someone is going to pay for your medical costs and then there will be an attempt to collect. However, I mean where you make a decision to file your own personal suit in a court. |
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July 25, 2010, 01:21 PM | #29 | |
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[1] If you have medical insurance, that will pay for at least a portion of your immediate medical care, but you might have co-payments or deductibles that you will have to pay out of your own pocket. And if you can't keep working and/or continue to carry your medical insurance, there may not be any insurance around to pay for future care. [2] If your employer has a good sick leave policy, you might continue to get your pay while you're off work. What happens when your sick leave runs out? What if you can't continue working at your regular job after you recover? [3] Who's going to pay for any job retraining if you can't continue your regular line of work? Who's going to pay to make your home/car handicapped accessible? [4] There are only a handful of folks around to pay your medical and other expenses:
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July 25, 2010, 02:16 PM | #30 |
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"But that still leaves you holding the bag, and footing the economic and emotional bill, for your life changing injuries."
Life isnt fair my friend. Sometimes you are left holding the bag on certain things, but you just have to suck it up. I have been left holding the bag on many things in life, but there is nothing I can do further about it. There will be many times in life where you are left holding the bag. You may want to go against the system, but if you do, it will just lead to trouble. The only advice I can offer is to simply suck it up and drive on which was a common phrase in the Army. There is a system in place and its best to follow the system. If you feel that justice hasnt been served by the system then you just have to suck it up and drive on. Life isnt fair in every situation. Tragedy and accidents will happen its just a matter of when. |
July 25, 2010, 02:23 PM | #31 |
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I can't imagine any general situation in which I *would* sue, without first considering the circumstances. That applies to a car accident, being shot, having my house burned down, etc. The right thing to do is always situation dependent.
If I were shot by somebody who had made a mistake without malice and without reckless disregard, I'd probably expect him to pay for the medical bills and perhaps reimburse my company for time I was off recuperating, but wouldn't want or ask for other compensatory damages. If he refused, or if his insurance company refused to do so without a lawsuit being filed, I'd probably sue. Otherwise, I see no reason to enrich a bunch of lawyers. (I might also decide not to ask for reimbursement of expenses if he or she was poor and it would cause undue hardship, but that would be on the same grounds that I might help out any neighbor who needed help.) If I were shot by somebody who was guilty of malice or reckless disregard, and I was not absolutely sure that the criminal process would prevent them from doing it again to somebody else, I'd likely sue for a huge sum, and use that as leverage to demand a settlement that agreed to the perp giving up guns, not living in any location where guns were kept, or whatever else seemed necessary to protect people. I'd also include measures to aid enforcement of the agreement if the perp broke it. <ggrrr!> |
July 25, 2010, 02:25 PM | #32 | |
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July 25, 2010, 02:31 PM | #33 |
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due to my job i would be out of work minimum till the skin is completely healed.
joint damage can, and lung damage will, completely disqualify me from my job. which would cancel the limited health and disability insurance i have. if its due to negligence of the shooter(wildly firing, excessive over penetration, etc...) ill definately sue, unless he covers the costs. if his shot that hits me also saved my life, or i was just unfortunate enough to be in the exact and only position to take the round, i probably would not.
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July 25, 2010, 02:39 PM | #34 |
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Quite honestly, a lawsuit would take years to get through and you may not ever recover anything through that medium. No attorney works for free and they will charge you for all of their work...probably require a retainer. A trial attorney requires at least 700-1000 an hour for being in a courtroom which is why most of these things are settled up front. Then there is the process of collection on a settlement which is a whole other battle. Then there are the mental and emotional toll of the litigation process.
I would not expect to get any money out of anyone in regards to a lawsuit unless the person is part of a larger agency/company or has homeowner's insurance. Most of the claims from 9/11 were settled by the 9/11 fund and that is because litigation would have been costly and untimely. Those who did file lawsuits did not have a trial until many years after. Some are still in the court system...some of the people who filed lawsuits as a result of 9/11 passed on before the suits even got to court. |
July 25, 2010, 02:45 PM | #35 | ||
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Look, if you are going to shoot another even in justifiable self defense and you injure an innocent third party then you are financially responsible for their injuries. That is our system and our way. If you cannot deal with that reality then you should not carry a gun. Massad Ayoob published a story about a guy who was robbed (I think a photography shop?) and was shot then followed the guy outside and shot him while he was carjacking a lady and accidentally shot the lady. She sued and I have no problem with it. The guy was lucky to have gotten off since the thief was running away from him but I think he killed the guy. If somebody (good guy or not) shot my wife or son in the act of defending themselves from another person I would sue them. They would have to suck it up. Not my family.
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July 25, 2010, 02:53 PM | #36 | ||
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Even the higher limit ($250k) probably won't be enough to cover a judgement against you in the case of a civil suit where you're found liable, but it should be enough to cover your expenses if you're found not liable. Last edited by ScottRiqui; July 25, 2010 at 03:04 PM. |
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There are a number of factors that need to be thoroughly evaluated and weighed when making a decision about whether or not to sue anyone for anything:
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July 25, 2010, 03:33 PM | #38 |
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My inclination is not to sue, but it's impossible to determine without complete information on the circumstances.
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July 25, 2010, 04:09 PM | #39 | |
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2) I do not have an option when it comes to choosing my health care provider; it comes with the Active Duty Military portion of my life. Quote:
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July 25, 2010, 05:09 PM | #42 |
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Silly question
What makes the shooter the "good guy"? If i have been injured by someone's negligence, then I will be compensated for that injury and any impacts to my life it may cause.
Its not my fault that I was struck by an errant bullet. That responsibility lies with the shooter. If I am the shooter, that responsibility lies with me. Life isn't fair. Deadly force incidents are not clean. Every bullet you fire has a lawyer attached. Something to consider. And, i really can't see viewing the guy who shot me at the "good guy". He's the jerk who wasn't sure of his target and what was beyond it... me. Matt |
July 25, 2010, 05:11 PM | #43 |
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Getting shot in the process of saving me is one thing. Getting shot when I am not even involved in the situation is something completely different.
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TRICARE doesn't give a rat's rump about your lost earnings or anything that happens after the hospital bill's paid - hope you don't, either. |
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July 25, 2010, 05:29 PM | #45 |
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Lincoln was wrong
I took my CCW class yesterday, great class by a cop and a lawyer. I've never sued anyone and would likely require a pretty stiff case to actually consider it.
The gist from the class regarding your firing and hitting someone (we're in AZ), keep your mouth shut, assume you're going to get sued, keep your mouth shut, and also assume you will go to jail until it gets worked out, and keep your mouth shut. He then noted that on the civil side, it's pretty easy to avoid paying any money to a successful plaintiff, even if you loose the case. (Obviously assumes a lawyer). Take Bernie Goetz as an example from 2 decades ago: $43M award against him, he declared bankruptcy, and is still living in NY. Even though a federal judge said bankruptcy couldn't discharge the award, he's paid nothing, and likely never will. When asked several years ago about how much he had paid to one of the guys he shot he said "I don't think I've paid a penny on that", 20 years after the fact. Unless there's an offer of compensation, it may be a waste of your time and harbor future ill will. <Philosophy_Soap_Box=ON> From an earthly perspective, Lincoln was very wrong: All men are not created equal, and life is inherently unfair. Fact of life / School or Hard Knocks / Wisdom. Life is how you deal with what happens to you, not what happens. <Philosophy_Soap_Box=OFF> |
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BTW I wouldn't be so all fired reliant on Tricare either. As someone who has been on it for over 30 years I will tell you there is a WHOLE lot they will not cover or only partially cover. If you don't sue to get the difference you could yourself be bankrupt. Quote:
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Let me put it this way. There is nothing you will be able to do to make yourself completely "whole" again after an incident. You can sue, you can jump up and down and turn blue. A lawsuit is an unknown factor where the outcome is uncertain and often untimely...very untimely where you are waiting a few years for the outcome.
It doesnt matter if your bills are paid by insurance or through a lawsuit or not paid at all. You will never be "whole" again. The best thing to do is not get into the situation in the first place, but if you do get into such a situation, then you have to man up. I can guarantee you if you are shot, the last thing you will be thinking about is the money. Maybe your family might be thinking $$$, but you will just be glad that you made it through and can still breathe. If I lived to talk about being shot, then frankly I would not care if the hospital or doctors ever got paid or who paid the bills. I would be glad to be alive. |
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July 25, 2010, 06:19 PM | #49 | |
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Would they hold a police officer liable if they killed innocent people while apprehending someone for robbery? You betcha. It should be a sobering thought to consider who might be injured and remember that a .357 round can go through several walls before it stops. It really begins to narrow when and where you can consider using the weapon in self defense. You have a right to defend your life but not at the danger of someone else that is equally innocent. I have been a little taken back by some of the cavalier responses to this thread. |
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July 25, 2010, 06:33 PM | #50 |
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Let's say you are mamed for life by the good guy's shot and can never earn a living again. And you have a family to support.
Now we are talking survival. So you think about that before saying you won't sue. As for me, yes the circumstances will matter, but I hope I'm only nicked. Deaf
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