Local Self Defense Shooting Considered by DA

XavierBreath · January 21, 2005, 07:07 PM

D.A. to Decide if Drug Store Shooting Self Defense

Monroe Police have released the name of the suspect who was shot in an attempted robbery of a drug store Thursday evening. 25-year-old Travis Jefferson of Monroe died after he was shot by a store employee.

It happened just before 6pm at Mel's Pharmacy in the 1700 block of South Ninth Street.
Monroe Police say Jefferson entered the drug store through a side door carrying a gun and demanding money.
Investigators said 4 employees were inside the store at the time when one of them reached for a handgun and fired 2 shots.
The suspect was struck once in the upper chest then stumbled out of the store into the parking lot and collapsed.
He was transported to Saint Francis Hospital where he was pronounced dead.
Police are not releasing the name of the drug store worker who shot Jefferson. That person was not hurt.
Police Chief Ron Schleuter says the case will be forwarded to District Attorney Jerry Jones who will determine whether any charges will be filed in the case.

http://www.knoe.com/full_story_1.html

DAVID NANCARROW · January 21, 2005, 07:35 PM

And what is the problem here? Bad guy enters place with a firearm. Employee shoots bad guy, quite possibly saving the lives of everyone in the store not to mention his own. Bad guys dies. The only thing missing to this story is that the good people lived happily ever after.

I suppose the DA is required to review the evidence and make some kind of announcement. Hope that if this is all there is to the story that said good samaritan (and good shot!) is given some kind of honor from the city.

XavierBreath · January 21, 2005, 07:57 PM

As I find out more facts, I will post them. Rumor is that the weapon was a .357 revolver.

Rumor is that no charges will be filed, although that side of town is presently incensed over 5 policemen who were no-billed last week after shooting and killing a man who was armed with a folding knife and a chain. We will see how the politics play out. Lots of justified gun use around here lately.

Here's links to that story.
http://www.knoe.com/newsarchive/No_I..._Shooting.html

http://www.knoe.com/newsarchive/Hend...g_Process.html

Dwight55 · January 21, 2005, 08:03 PM

Xavierbreath, . . . I'm with David, . . . what is there to consider?

Dude does not come in the front door like a paying customer. Comes in the side door.

Dude does not have money out for purchase. Has gun out for robbery.

At that point, . . . my life is at stake, . . . I am watching his face and hand for the first sign of "shooter-itis". If he takes the money and hits the road like a horse apple, . . . its cool. If he makes the wrong gesture that makes me think someone is getting shot, . . . I'm doing my best to make sure it is him that gets shot.

My assumption is that that is what happened, . . . end of story. I do not condone trivializing the loss of life here, don't get me wrong, . . . but this bg made the decisions that got him shot.

May God bless,
Dwight

XavierBreath · January 21, 2005, 08:43 PM

Oh, I agree that it is likely a justifiable shooting.

I'm just interested whether the DA will bow to some hot political pressure and charge a person with a crime for a justifiable shooting.

NYC Drew · January 21, 2005, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Xavierbreath, . . . I'm with David, . . . what is there to consider?

a. What type of parade?
b. Lump sum reward, or over 15 years?
c. Deputize the clerk now, or at the parade?

'Drew

LAK · January 24, 2005, 04:46 AM

This applies to other places and circumstances; but if someone walks into a store with a drawn firearm or produces one, I am already under the rational fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm. Whether it is pointed at me or not. Unless the subject is clearly identified as a bona fide peace officer, he or she is not going to be quizzed on whether or not cash, goods and services will be enough.

This sounds like another case of death by misadventure.

RWK · January 24, 2005, 10:32 AM

LAK (and others) are 100 percent correct.

January 21, 2005, 07:07 PM	#1
XavierBreath Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2002 Location: North Louisiana Posts: 2,800	Local Self Defense Shooting Considered by DA D.A. to Decide if Drug Store Shooting Self Defense Monroe Police have released the name of the suspect who was shot in an attempted robbery of a drug store Thursday evening. 25-year-old Travis Jefferson of Monroe died after he was shot by a store employee. It happened just before 6pm at Mel's Pharmacy in the 1700 block of South Ninth Street. Monroe Police say Jefferson entered the drug store through a side door carrying a gun and demanding money. Investigators said 4 employees were inside the store at the time when one of them reached for a handgun and fired 2 shots. The suspect was struck once in the upper chest then stumbled out of the store into the parking lot and collapsed. He was transported to Saint Francis Hospital where he was pronounced dead. Police are not releasing the name of the drug store worker who shot Jefferson. That person was not hurt. Police Chief Ron Schleuter says the case will be forwarded to District Attorney Jerry Jones who will determine whether any charges will be filed in the case. http://www.knoe.com/full_story_1.html __________________ Xavier's Blog

January 21, 2005, 07:57 PM	#3
XavierBreath Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2002 Location: North Louisiana Posts: 2,800	As I find out more facts, I will post them. Rumor is that the weapon was a .357 revolver. Rumor is that no charges will be filed, although that side of town is presently incensed over 5 policemen who were no-billed last week after shooting and killing a man who was armed with a folding knife and a chain. We will see how the politics play out. Lots of justified gun use around here lately. Here's links to that story. http://www.knoe.com/newsarchive/No_I..._Shooting.html http://www.knoe.com/newsarchive/Hend...g_Process.html __________________ Xavier's Blog

January 21, 2005, 08:03 PM	#4
Dwight55 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,568	Xavierbreath, . . . I'm with David, . . . what is there to consider? Dude does not come in the front door like a paying customer. Comes in the side door. Dude does not have money out for purchase. Has gun out for robbery. At that point, . . . my life is at stake, . . . I am watching his face and hand for the first sign of "shooter-itis". If he takes the money and hits the road like a horse apple, . . . its cool. If he makes the wrong gesture that makes me think someone is getting shot, . . . I'm doing my best to make sure it is him that gets shot. My assumption is that that is what happened, . . . end of story. I do not condone trivializing the loss of life here, don't get me wrong, . . . but this bg made the decisions that got him shot. May God bless, Dwight __________________ www.dwightsgunleather.com If you can breathe, . . . thank God! If you can read, . . . thank a teacher! If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a Veteran!

January 21, 2005, 08:43 PM	#5
XavierBreath Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2002 Location: North Louisiana Posts: 2,800	Oh, I agree that it is likely a justifiable shooting. I'm just interested whether the DA will bow to some hot political pressure and charge a person with a crime for a justifiable shooting. __________________ Xavier's Blog

January 24, 2005, 10:32 AM	#8
RWK Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 1999 Location: Occupied Virginia Posts: 2,777	LAK (and others) are 100 percent correct. __________________ __________________ Μολών λαβέ!

January 21, 2005, 07:35 PM	#2
DAVID NANCARROW Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2000 Location: Wyoming Posts: 1,761	And what is the problem here? Bad guy enters place with a firearm. Employee shoots bad guy, quite possibly saving the lives of everyone in the store not to mention his own. Bad guys dies. The only thing missing to this story is that the good people lived happily ever after. I suppose the DA is required to review the evidence and make some kind of announcement. Hope that if this is all there is to the story that said good samaritan (and good shot!) is given some kind of honor from the city.

January 24, 2005, 04:46 AM	#7
LAK Junior member Join Date: May 14, 2002 Posts: 2,251	This applies to other places and circumstances; but if someone walks into a store with a drawn firearm or produces one, I am already under the rational fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm. Whether it is pointed at me or not. Unless the subject is clearly identified as a bona fide peace officer, he or she is not going to be quizzed on whether or not cash, goods and services will be enough. This sounds like another case of death by misadventure.