Has Anyone Else Found This

WCW · July 11, 2007, 12:46 PM

I just opened up a package of Winchester bulk bullets I purchased a long time ago, and just never got around to using. I quickly discovered these have the same defects that were the reason I haven’t bought Winchester bulk bullets for the last ten years.

These are 158 gr. .357 caliber JHP’s, and if you can see in the picture the cannelures on the bullets are placed in wildly differing locations. This makes it mandatory to sort the things before you can even reload them, and of course the loads will vary widely due to the extreme differences in seating depth if you were to roll crimp in the groove.

Has anyone else found this defect in Winchester bulk bullets before, or have they gotten a little better over the last few years. This seems to be quite a variance from lot to lot, and undoubtedly why they were so inexpensive.

Before I ever buy any more I am going to examine the bag a lot more closely.

**Mike Irwin** · July 11, 2007, 03:43 PM

Good grief! That's insane!

tomh1426 · July 11, 2007, 04:04 PM

nice

BillCA · July 11, 2007, 04:25 PM

So, WCW,

What has Winchester said about your photo?

You did complain to them so they know there's a problem, right?

steve4102 · July 11, 2007, 05:01 PM

I am not at all surprised. In the last few years most of the Win components I have purchased have been a huge disappointment. Especially their Brass.

Trapper L · July 11, 2007, 09:54 PM

I don't know where you bought them but the good folks at Midway would gladly exchange them for you if you think that's where they came from. Midway stands behind all of the things they sell and issues like this are resolved quickly with just an email. Midway isn't always the cheapest but if you have problems- they take care of business. Otherwise, I'd contact Winchester. I can't believe they would expect you to keep an obviously bad product.

amamnn · July 12, 2007, 12:54 AM

I've seen that in cheap bullets in other brands as well, not to mention wild variations in weight and roundness, jackets, etc.

I have yet to meet the person who could successfully refute the truth of the old saw: "you gets what you pays for." You did say thay were bulk and not match(ed) bullets, yes?

hoser1911 · July 12, 2007, 01:08 AM

Send the unused portion my way and I'll load them up and show you the 50 yard results. It will make you feel better.

Stargazer · July 12, 2007, 06:19 AM

I have been buying bulk packed Remington 158 grain JHP's from the gun shows and I noticed that in some batches I get the cannelure is not symetrical(sp) around the bullet. It is sometimes a "wavy" line around those bullets. Thankfully it is not off real bad and the crimp fits all around OK. I guess it's one of those, "you get what you pay for" deals.

copdills · July 12, 2007, 11:02 PM

I hadn't noticed any , but this is going to make me look a little closer Thanks

DWARREN123 · July 13, 2007, 12:48 PM

Some body did not set up their machine properly. Not good!

Scorch · July 13, 2007, 02:31 PM

Do you think the folks at Winchester and/or Remington sell bullets to support reloaders' efforts? They sell seconds, short runs, and off-spec bullets. That is why they are so cheap. Do you really expect seconds to be the same as premium bullets? Really?

**Shane Tuttle** · July 13, 2007, 09:02 PM

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Do you think the folks at Winchester and/or Remington sell bullets to support reloaders' efforts?

I thought that's one reason why they're in business...

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They sell seconds, short runs, and off-spec bullets. That is why they are so cheap. Do you really expect seconds to be the same as premium bullets?

Didn't know "bulk" meant seconds, short runs, and off-spec. So, I would think it would be the same as buying regular gas from a name brand store. Don't think WCW was expecting "premium". I wouldn't have...

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Really?

Yep. Maybe I missed the small print. But, I don't think WCW was in the minority here...or was he? Maybe I am....

Archie · July 13, 2007, 10:37 PM

Ignore the cannelure.

Seat them all to the same depth and crimp them with the Lee Factory die. Unless the weights vary significantly.

Allow me this question: Are these bullets intended for serious target work? Anything past 25 yards or so? If not, I doubt if the accuracy will show much damage.

July 11, 2007, 03:43 PM	#2
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	Good grief! That's insane! __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

July 11, 2007, 04:25 PM	#4
BillCA Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2004 Location: Silicon Valley, Ca Posts: 7,117	So, WCW, What has Winchester said about your photo? You did complain to them so they know there's a problem, right? __________________ BillCA in CA (Unfortunately)

July 12, 2007, 12:54 AM	#7
amamnn Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2006 Location: WA, the left armpit of the USA Posts: 1,323	I've seen that in cheap bullets in other brands as well, not to mention wild variations in weight and roundness, jackets, etc. I have yet to meet the person who could successfully refute the truth of the old saw: "you gets what you pays for." You did say thay were bulk and not match(ed) bullets, yes? __________________ "If the enemy is in range, so are you." - Infantry Journal

July 12, 2007, 01:08 AM	#8
hoser1911 Junior member Join Date: March 17, 2006 Posts: 46	Big Deal. Send the unused portion my way and I'll load them up and show you the 50 yard results. It will make you feel better.

July 12, 2007, 06:19 AM	#9
Stargazer Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Posts: 506	I have been buying bulk packed Remington 158 grain JHP's from the gun shows and I noticed that in some batches I get the cannelure is not symetrical(sp) around the bullet. It is sometimes a "wavy" line around those bullets. Thankfully it is not off real bad and the crimp fits all around OK. I guess it's one of those, "you get what you pay for" deals. __________________ 5.56mm, reach out and touch something. .458 SOCOM,reach out and knock something down. M70 Web Page

July 11, 2007, 04:04 PM	#3
tomh1426 Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2005 Location: Youngtown Arizona Posts: 1,135	nice

July 11, 2007, 05:01 PM	#5
steve4102 Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,955	I am not at all surprised. In the last few years most of the Win components I have purchased have been a huge disappointment. Especially their Brass.

July 11, 2007, 09:54 PM	#6
Trapper L Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 804	I don't know where you bought them but the good folks at Midway would gladly exchange them for you if you think that's where they came from. Midway stands behind all of the things they sell and issues like this are resolved quickly with just an email. Midway isn't always the cheapest but if you have problems- they take care of business. Otherwise, I'd contact Winchester. I can't believe they would expect you to keep an obviously bad product.

July 12, 2007, 11:02 PM	#10
copdills Member Join Date: June 18, 2007 Location: Clover South Carolina Posts: 62	I hadn't noticed any , but this is going to make me look a little closer Thanks

July 13, 2007, 12:48 PM	#11
DWARREN123 Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2006 Location: BETWEEN TN & KY Posts: 1,758	Some body did not set up their machine properly. Not good! __________________ Have a nice day!

July 13, 2007, 02:31 PM	#12
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	Do you think the folks at Winchester and/or Remington sell bullets to support reloaders' efforts? They sell seconds, short runs, and off-spec bullets. That is why they are so cheap. Do you really expect seconds to be the same as premium bullets? Really? __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

July 13, 2007, 10:37 PM	#14
Archie Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2000 Location: Hastings, Nebrasksa - the Hear Posts: 2,209	Ignore the cannelure. Seat them all to the same depth and crimp them with the Lee Factory die. Unless the weights vary significantly. Allow me this question: Are these bullets intended for serious target work? Anything past 25 yards or so? If not, I doubt if the accuracy will show much damage. __________________ There ain't no free lunch, except Jesus. Archie Check out updated journal at http://oldmanmontgomery.wordpress.com/