My new Tavor

Fivesense · November 19, 2015, 01:34 AM

I picked up an IWI Tavor SAR in .223/5.56 today. It is as fun to shoot as it is cool looking. And more importantly, I think it will be a great home defense piece. I've got a Meprolight self-powered day/night reflex sight mounted. I put about 100 rounds through this tack driver today, and will continue to break it in this week.

I tried to upload a pic but my file size was too big. Not sure how to downsize...

Tony C · November 19, 2015, 02:58 AM

Congrats! Everything I have seen and read says these are great rifles and a hoot to shoot.

Dirty_Harry · November 19, 2015, 06:57 AM

Welcome to the club! I love my tavor, have owned it for around 8 months now. Never a hiccup, very reliable and accurate enough. If it had anywhere near the parts availability of the AR15, I would ditch the AR15 all together.

I am really hoping they make one in .308. I am thinking about picking up a 300 blackout conversion kit as soon as they come out. Call me crazy, but I would really like to hunt with this rifle but I feel our deer are slightly too large for 5.56/223.

peggysue · November 19, 2015, 05:52 PM

congrats

DoctorDeath · November 20, 2015, 04:34 AM

Lucky! I wish I could afford a Tavor. Congrats!

The best way to downsize a picture is to right click it, open in paint, and then you should see resize on the top. 50%, and sometimes even 25% is usually good.

bfoosh006 · November 20, 2015, 05:05 PM

FYI... I have seen Geissle's Tavor triggers on sale at numerous places.

The Tavor trigger I shot was awful.... Looooooong pull and gritty.

Otherwise great rifle !

9x19 · November 20, 2015, 09:17 PM

Congrats.

A new rifle is always a good thing.

ronl · November 20, 2015, 09:33 PM

Got to play with one last weekend. Well made and solid feeling. Pretty accurate. The trigger was pretty bad.

CodeSection · November 20, 2015, 09:46 PM

Congrats 5 sense!

Fivesense · November 20, 2015, 10:12 PM

Thank you All.

I shot with a Geissele trigger pack today in my Tavor today. Wow- what a difference. I don't hate the stock trigger but the Geissele feels like a sports car in comparison. It's not so light as to feel jumpy either- just really smooth with very little creep or take up.

Interestingly, I didn't buy the Geissele (yet). I want to put more rounds through the Tavor with the stock trigger to see if it grows on me. I've seen mods whereby you can remove the spring from the stock trigger and get about an 8lb pull. Has anyone done this, and if so, what has your experience been regarding reliability?

ttarp · November 20, 2015, 10:16 PM

My brother removed the extra spring like you're read about, its a simple job and it significantly improved the trigger at no cost to reliability.

Fivesense · November 20, 2015, 10:20 PM

Interestingly, the Geissele Super Sabra trigger pack does not have the spring we're talking about. It does look like an easy removal process; I may try it and see how it goes. I'm really hesitant to augment anything stock (replacing with aftermarket doesn't bother me) but I wouldn't mind saving the money on a new trigger pack with a simple spring removal.

CodeSection · November 21, 2015, 01:45 PM

Finally figured out how to reduce picture size...

Dirty_Harry · November 22, 2015, 04:52 PM

Nice looking setup

CodeSection · November 22, 2015, 08:35 PM

Thanks DH!

Glockstar .40 · November 23, 2015, 01:47 AM

Congrats! Love my tavor as well...about 1500 rounds through it and it's run flawlessly

Fishbed77 · November 23, 2015, 02:56 PM

Congrats. Of all the non-AR 5.56mm semi-autos, the Tavor is at the top of my wish list.

Fivesense · November 23, 2015, 05:48 PM

Quote:

My brother removed the extra spring like you're read about, its a simple job and it significantly improved the trigger at no cost to reliability.

Thanks TTarp.

Fivesense · November 23, 2015, 06:04 PM

I hope to do a little shooting with it this week. Do you think the Tavor is too much for turkey hunting?

Bart Noir · November 25, 2015, 07:42 PM

Code, I see you got the version with the water-cooled barrel

Actually, what barrel setup is that? Suppressor? If so, why didn't you let us all know?! Folks who get those are not shy of saying so. Latest toy and all that

A few days back I saw two on the wall at a LGS. One had an 18-inch barrel and one had a 16-inch barrel. I do not know if there is any real advantage to having the extra 2 inches, except maybe for getting the muzzle blast out a little farther from your face.

Bart Noir

CodeSection · November 26, 2015, 08:26 PM

Bart Noir, it does look strange, doesn't it? It is a silencer from Operators Suppressor Systems (OSS). I ended up participating in the Bullpup Forum group buy about a year ago.

A year ago, Theohazard, went to great lengths to narrow suggestions that would be appropriate for a Tavor. One of the main suggestions was to try to buy something that reduced blowback.. At one time, the 5.56 SOCOM RC and Saker 7.62 were an option. Had decided on the Saker 7.62.

Then, one night reading, I stumbled onto the Bullpup Forum and read about the OSS. The advantages of the OSS is that the design supposedly:
- reduces blowback by over 75%
- bolt speed increase is reduced significantly; only 3-5% increase as compared with 20-40% increase with other silencers.

There were other differences...too many to post without sounding like a sponsor. I am pleased with the OSS, but to be fair, I really do not have anything to compare it to....

I bought the SAR Flattop B16 which has a 16.5" barrel. I'm not sure what a 1.5" difference would make.

Fivesense · November 26, 2015, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Then, one night reading, I stumbled onto the Bullpup Forum and read about the OSS. The advantages of the OSS is that the design supposedly:
- reduces blowback by over 75%
- bolt speed increase is reduced significantly; only 3-5% increase as compared with 20-40% increase with other silencers.

Code- I recently found the same thread on the Bullpup Forum to which you refer, although I was about a year late for the original buy. I'm still considering the OSS system. Am I correct that you really like it and that it works well?

CodeSection · November 26, 2015, 09:43 PM

5Sense, I like what I have, however, I have nothing to compare it to. I ended up with the 5.56 with the SRM6. I'm not sure if they offer that now....I thought they only now offer the SRM4 with the 5.56.

There are customer service issues with the company from the Group Buy program. Apparently, ALL people who bought the 7.62 were shipped 5.56. After nine months, it still hasn't been resolved and those people still have not received their product that they purchased and paid extra for. Can you imagine how frustrated they must be? I believe at least one person is filing a complaint against the company with Utah's Attorney General Consumer's Division. Even the distributor that handled it for the Group Buy in is shocked with the company's lack of response to those individuals. There is a long thread on the Bullpup Forum in the Group Buy private section that discloses dates, conversations, and repeated attempts to rectify the problem.

There are more details. For me in dealing with any company, while a particular product may be good, the company's integrity and customer service is far more important to me.

Based upon difficulties others in the Group Buy program are experiencing, I would use caution in dealing with the company or any of their dealers.

You might find this thread helpful.....
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=554613

Fivesense · November 26, 2015, 10:19 PM

Code- great information to know; too bad it's not good.

Thank you for sharing however, as it will help me proceed with caution.

November 19, 2015, 01:34 AM	#1
Fivesense Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2015 Posts: 140	My new Tavor I picked up an IWI Tavor SAR in .223/5.56 today. It is as fun to shoot as it is cool looking. And more importantly, I think it will be a great home defense piece. I've got a Meprolight self-powered day/night reflex sight mounted. I put about 100 rounds through this tack driver today, and will continue to break it in this week. I tried to upload a pic but my file size was too big. Not sure how to downsize...

November 19, 2015, 06:57 AM	#3
Dirty_Harry Senior Member Join Date: January 11, 2006 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 1,484	Welcome to the club! I love my tavor, have owned it for around 8 months now. Never a hiccup, very reliable and accurate enough. If it had anywhere near the parts availability of the AR15, I would ditch the AR15 all together. I am really hoping they make one in .308. I am thinking about picking up a 300 blackout conversion kit as soon as they come out. Call me crazy, but I would really like to hunt with this rifle but I feel our deer are slightly too large for 5.56/223. __________________ "The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you never should have laid down." "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them." -John Wayne

November 20, 2015, 09:17 PM	#7
9x19 Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 1998 Location: Sherman, TX USA Posts: 3,750	Congrats. A new rifle is always a good thing. __________________ Make mine lean, mean, and 9x19!

November 22, 2015, 04:52 PM	#14
Dirty_Harry Senior Member Join Date: January 11, 2006 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 1,484	Nice looking setup __________________ "The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you never should have laid down." "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them." -John Wayne

November 23, 2015, 01:47 AM	#16
Glockstar .40 Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2012 Location: West of the Rockies Posts: 435	Congrats! Love my tavor as well...about 1500 rounds through it and it's run flawlessly __________________ He alone is my Rock and my Salvation, my Stronghold; I shall not be shaken!

November 19, 2015, 02:58 AM	#2
Tony C Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 293	Congrats! Everything I have seen and read says these are great rifles and a hoot to shoot.

November 19, 2015, 05:52 PM	#4
peggysue Junior member Join Date: May 20, 2014 Posts: 1,835	congrats

November 20, 2015, 04:34 AM	#5
DoctorDeath Member Join Date: May 30, 2015 Posts: 55	Lucky! I wish I could afford a Tavor. Congrats! The best way to downsize a picture is to right click it, open in paint, and then you should see resize on the top. 50%, and sometimes even 25% is usually good.

November 20, 2015, 05:05 PM	#6
bfoosh006 Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2009 Posts: 1,089	FYI... I have seen Geissle's Tavor triggers on sale at numerous places. The Tavor trigger I shot was awful.... Looooooong pull and gritty. Otherwise great rifle !

November 20, 2015, 09:33 PM	#8
ronl Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Posts: 1,100	Got to play with one last weekend. Well made and solid feeling. Pretty accurate. The trigger was pretty bad.

November 20, 2015, 09:46 PM	#9
CodeSection Member Join Date: October 31, 2014 Posts: 86	Congrats 5 sense!

November 20, 2015, 10:12 PM	#10
Fivesense Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2015 Posts: 140	Thank you All. I shot with a Geissele trigger pack today in my Tavor today. Wow- what a difference. I don't hate the stock trigger but the Geissele feels like a sports car in comparison. It's not so light as to feel jumpy either- just really smooth with very little creep or take up. Interestingly, I didn't buy the Geissele (yet). I want to put more rounds through the Tavor with the stock trigger to see if it grows on me. I've seen mods whereby you can remove the spring from the stock trigger and get about an 8lb pull. Has anyone done this, and if so, what has your experience been regarding reliability?

November 20, 2015, 10:16 PM	#11
ttarp Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2013 Posts: 888	My brother removed the extra spring like you're read about, its a simple job and it significantly improved the trigger at no cost to reliability.

November 20, 2015, 10:20 PM	#12
Fivesense Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2015 Posts: 140	Interestingly, the Geissele Super Sabra trigger pack does not have the spring we're talking about. It does look like an easy removal process; I may try it and see how it goes. I'm really hesitant to augment anything stock (replacing with aftermarket doesn't bother me) but I wouldn't mind saving the money on a new trigger pack with a simple spring removal.

November 22, 2015, 08:35 PM	#15
CodeSection Member Join Date: October 31, 2014 Posts: 86	Thanks DH!

November 23, 2015, 02:56 PM	#17
Fishbed77 Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2010 Posts: 4,862	Congrats. Of all the non-AR 5.56mm semi-autos, the Tavor is at the top of my wish list.

November 23, 2015, 06:04 PM	#19
Fivesense Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2015 Posts: 140	I hope to do a little shooting with it this week. Do you think the Tavor is too much for turkey hunting? Last edited by Fivesense; November 25, 2015 at 07:55 PM.

November 25, 2015, 07:42 PM	#20
Bart Noir Senior Member Join Date: August 5, 2000 Location: Puget Sound, USA Posts: 2,215	Code, I see you got the version with the water-cooled barrel Actually, what barrel setup is that? Suppressor? If so, why didn't you let us all know?! Folks who get those are not shy of saying so. Latest toy and all that A few days back I saw two on the wall at a LGS. One had an 18-inch barrel and one had a 16-inch barrel. I do not know if there is any real advantage to having the extra 2 inches, except maybe for getting the muzzle blast out a little farther from your face. Bart Noir __________________ Be of good cheer and mindful of your gun muzzle!

November 26, 2015, 08:26 PM	#21
CodeSection Member Join Date: October 31, 2014 Posts: 86	Bart Noir, it does look strange, doesn't it? It is a silencer from Operators Suppressor Systems (OSS). I ended up participating in the Bullpup Forum group buy about a year ago. A year ago, Theohazard, went to great lengths to narrow suggestions that would be appropriate for a Tavor. One of the main suggestions was to try to buy something that reduced blowback.. At one time, the 5.56 SOCOM RC and Saker 7.62 were an option. Had decided on the Saker 7.62. Then, one night reading, I stumbled onto the Bullpup Forum and read about the OSS. The advantages of the OSS is that the design supposedly: - reduces blowback by over 75% - bolt speed increase is reduced significantly; only 3-5% increase as compared with 20-40% increase with other silencers. There were other differences...too many to post without sounding like a sponsor. I am pleased with the OSS, but to be fair, I really do not have anything to compare it to.... I bought the SAR Flattop B16 which has a 16.5" barrel. I'm not sure what a 1.5" difference would make.

November 26, 2015, 09:43 PM	#23
CodeSection Member Join Date: October 31, 2014 Posts: 86	5Sense, I like what I have, however, I have nothing to compare it to. I ended up with the 5.56 with the SRM6. I'm not sure if they offer that now....I thought they only now offer the SRM4 with the 5.56. There are customer service issues with the company from the Group Buy program. Apparently, ALL people who bought the 7.62 were shipped 5.56. After nine months, it still hasn't been resolved and those people still have not received their product that they purchased and paid extra for. Can you imagine how frustrated they must be? I believe at least one person is filing a complaint against the company with Utah's Attorney General Consumer's Division. Even the distributor that handled it for the Group Buy in is shocked with the company's lack of response to those individuals. There is a long thread on the Bullpup Forum in the Group Buy private section that discloses dates, conversations, and repeated attempts to rectify the problem. There are more details. For me in dealing with any company, while a particular product may be good, the company's integrity and customer service is far more important to me. Based upon difficulties others in the Group Buy program are experiencing, I would use caution in dealing with the company or any of their dealers. You might find this thread helpful..... http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=554613 Last edited by CodeSection; November 26, 2015 at 09:56 PM.

November 26, 2015, 10:19 PM	#24
Fivesense Senior Member Join Date: November 3, 2015 Posts: 140	Code- great information to know; too bad it's not good. Thank you for sharing however, as it will help me proceed with caution.

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