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FYI, Ladies Night at bars where ladies pay less has been ruled a problem in several states, but not all where it has been brought to the courts...
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Note that the gun range in question is in a different county that the Maryland lawsuit on ladies night was held. http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1986/Ap...1825be6431717e I am still not sure where paying $15 (his injury for having to pay when the ladies did not) constitutes received $200K, the amount of the suit. I am thinking he gets his $15, interest, and legal fees back, at most.
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So are they going to ban female-only classes, next, if this guy wins?
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If this is illegal, why do we have colleges that discriminate on both sex AND race?
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I propose to everyone on this forum that they SHOULD be upset about things like "Ladies night". The reality is if this range was running a "gentlemen's night", feminist groups around the country would be lining up to sue them. They'd have protesters parked in front from opening to close.
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I don't see a problem with a business trying to expand their customer base by offering a promotional discount to a group that they normally have a hard time attracting. I've seen similar offers at day spas in an attempt to attract men.
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I'm thinkin he's no longer welcome at the range...
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But life's too short to lapse into outrage over something like this. If the range were turning away people based on gender, race, or some other factor, that would be one thing. They're not. They're simply offering a small monetary incentive to one group in order to attract business. What actually would upset me would be a court finding for the plaintiff.
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If they offered "White Guy Wednesday" would that be ok? Every wednesday the white guys get free range time... you know because they don't have enough white guys going to their range. How do you not think that wouldn't be brought to court as discrimination? But hey, we weren't turning the black guys away, we just required them to pay! Any time you give one class of people, whether by race or gender, special privileges or pricing, it's discrimination. IE wrong. You know, 60 years ago black people weren't refused the right to ride the bus in the south, they just had to sit in the back, so no big deal right? (and yes I went there. It's fairly extreme example but it gets the point across. You can call it anything you like but it is what it is) |
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It's tough to put one's finger on the malignant result in a business using incentives to involve women in a hobby to which they might otherwise not be drawn.
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It only goes to show how conditioned we've become to look the other way when certain types of discrimination happen to one segment of the population, while crying bloody tears when the exact same thing happens to a different segment. We should be equally upset, not picking and choosing. SAT scores is a bad example. If you want into the best colleges apply yourself and study to get the scores you need, or the scholarships. You can't however choose the sex you were born with or the color of your skin. |
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Lol! "White Guy Wednesday"! That would definitely cause a stir!
Personally I understand the issue and see the point, but I think this guy is just being a whiney baby! I think it would be great to get more females to go shooting. The real problem is that the only solution will be that they get rid of the ladies night at the range and us 'men' will still have to pay...but now we don't encourage the women to go. The range is not going to say "hey, you're right...everyone is free on Tuesday now!" So either way it's a losing situation for us....so that guy suing? He needs to shut up and go to another range! |
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I don't disagree that the lawsuit probably doomed to failure. It's just the culture we have in this country right now. Much like how men get screwed in divorce courts and child custody.
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I think I know which camp the plaintiff falls into, since even if the range discontinues "Ladies' Night" entirely, it's not going to change his price by a single penny. |
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The point it goes to is that we consider reasonable discrimination, judgments made with reference to traits that matter, entirely acceptable. That may shed light on the issue of why we consider some specific sorts of discrimination unacceptable, but that doesn't appear to be the direct issue involved in this case.
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It could be argued that a policy giving a discount to ladies on one day encourages diversity. Perhaps that's the central question here: where is the line between the two incentive and discrimination? I can see both sides of this, but the plaintiff is going to have a hard time showing damages, and the plain fact is, many businesses offer "ladies night" types of incentives.
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And ya, this guys lawsuit is destined for failure. But it doesn't change that for a country that espouses equality we still offer segments of the population preferential treatment. Doesn't matter what your reasons are, it's the results that matter. Last edited by NJgunowner; August 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM. |
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I would have no problem with a "White Guy Wednesday", especially if:
a) attracting more white customers would align the racial makeup of his clientele more closely with the racial makeup of his community, and b) there are sufficient resources such that none of the regular customers are being turned away in order to make room for the "White Guys". |
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I didn't ask what you thought of it, I asked what would happen.
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My policy preference is that owners be free to set admission criteria, but that isn't public policy. Law and public policy on this point often rest on terms of addressing a prior injustice, and are considered remedial. What injustice is perpetrated by "Ladies night" that should have a remedy in the law? Or as I asked above, Quote:
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