What the heck did I see

bungiex88 · June 20, 2015, 11:47 PM

Live in central pa coming home from work about midnight I saw something cross the road into my yard it was pure white carried itself like a red fox had the shape of a coyote no hair on the tail except for a ball at the end didn't look like he had to much of a coat on him either. I live out in the middle of no where so I know it's no one's dog. It was small body like a fox but taller like a coyote. I'd say it was probably 12 to 17 pounds. I pulled into my drive way then drove into the yard and chased it and it started jumping everywhere went inside got the gun tried scoping it with a light but couldn't see nothing but eyes.

Despair · June 21, 2015, 12:38 AM

A lost poodle.

bungiex88 · June 21, 2015, 12:43 AM

Poodle doesn't prounce around like this did.

rickyrick · June 21, 2015, 12:45 AM

Mangy coyote pup

bungiex88 · June 21, 2015, 01:13 AM

Would it be a albino too or are they white like that when young

rickyrick · June 21, 2015, 06:38 AM

Could be hybrid, with dog.

Some will still carry themselves like a coyote.

Vt.birdhunter · June 21, 2015, 08:06 AM

Red Fox with scabies (sarocoptic?) mange.
Our local foxes have it BAD this year. Been seeing them all times of day, they cant stop scratching.

http://www.thebradentontimes.com/new.../#.VYa3g1LLLuc

By me they appear very pale, almost sand colored, hairless with a pom-pom at tip of tail.

NoSecondBest · June 21, 2015, 08:25 AM

I'm going with a Poodle. Who knows how they "prounce". That or a hybrid yeti-alien. Were you coming home from a night out?

bungiex88 · June 21, 2015, 08:56 AM

Birdhunter that picture in that link looked just like what I saw.

Vt.birdhunter · June 21, 2015, 10:59 AM

I sent an email to a rescue organization last week; I really hope we dont lose our little population. I know and understand why they are a PEST to some. Around here we love seeing them in the woods.

I saw a "mangy" looking fox a few years back. It bolted when it saw me; didnt concern as much as a sick animal that wont run. This year I can walk around and see 2-3 an hour from 50-100 yards out. Just scratching out in the open. Ive seen healthy appearing fox socializing in the open with the hairless ones. All hours of the day.
Forget about winter...hairless they wont last a summer.

Our veterinarian explained to us when we asked about shaving our huskies in the summer; they need that fur to thermoregulate in the summer as much in the winter. Sunburn, dehydration, bad news.

buck460XVR · June 21, 2015, 11:45 AM

A fox with the mange so bad it has no hair left, does not run and pounce nor does it go "jumping everywhere". By the time they get that far they are a very sick animal with very little if any energy. Any fox or 'yote I've seen with mange that bad is barely walking anymore.

I too am going with Poodle until I get more evidence to the contrary.

Vt.birdhunter · June 21, 2015, 01:22 PM

Seen it with my own eyes. Around 3pm, last sunday, known den site. 2 hairless red fox, small pom pom of hair remaining at tip of tale. Interacting with a third, healthy "appearing" fox. The 2 hairless were walking about in a restless, purposeless manor at a normal gait and speed. Stopping to scratch constantly. They ran when they spotted me. One hairless "play wrestled" with the haired fox.

I see your point about the health of the animals. Cant disagree. But there are not multiple poodles on the loose around here that look like tiny hairless dogs. Theses critters cant be much more than 10 pounds...if that.

Maybe its not mange....college kids with have-a-hart traps and Nair?

I can be coaxed to get my game camera back from my nephew

ATCDoktor · June 21, 2015, 03:16 PM

Did t look anything like this?

I shot this one about 2 years ago and in 20 years of coyote hunting it was the worse case of mange I had ever seen on an animal living or dead.

She was very aggressive, barking and yapping at me from about 200 yards out.

Until she started carrying on, I couldn't tell it was a coyote.

A 32 grain Nosler Combined Technology bullet at near 4200 fps launched her into the sweet by and by with nary a twitch.

She was passed hurting a microsecond after I pulled the trigger.

Gunplummer · June 21, 2015, 04:14 PM

I have caught and seen fox with mange at the end of November. Your best bet is to shoot the ones you see and bury them with lime. It is not a dry skin condition. The skin literally rots off them and they will not recover in the wild. What they will do is spread it.

Vt.birdhunter · June 21, 2015, 06:35 PM

Im curious why that bit of fur remains on the tail. Ive been seeing the same thing I see in you photo ATCdoktor....minus the gaping hole

Gunplummer · June 21, 2015, 09:40 PM

Maybe it is not mange and is something else. Usually the first thing to go is the hair on the face and tail because of the way fox sleep.

bungiex88 · June 22, 2015, 12:24 AM

Yeah its fur was like that but skin was real pale and the size of a red fox like that first link

bungiex88 · June 22, 2015, 12:25 AM

I tried shooting it but proved difficult trying to hold my hunting light and rifle at same time off hand trying to shoot between 2 glowing eyes at 100 yards at midnight lol

bungiex88 · June 22, 2015, 12:26 AM

The ball of fur at end of tail was just a small amount maybe the size of a large cotton ball.

bungiex88 · June 23, 2015, 12:00 AM

Red fox with mange confirmed just talked to 2 neighbors saw the same thing running through the yard both said they thought it was a red fox with mange

Mobuck · June 23, 2015, 06:59 AM

"Mangy coyote pup"

Chupacabra? I didn't think they'd got that far north.

Could have been a mangy coyote. Coyote w/o fur doesn't look very big. The skin might reflect light and appear white(ish).

bamaranger · June 25, 2015, 03:38 PM

I've got family up in central PA, and the 'yote is indeed that far north and has been for a number of years. Blair, Central, Huntingdon counties all have them for sure, i'd expect many others as well.

Pitiful looking with the mange indeed.

SARuger · June 25, 2015, 08:03 PM

We have coyote all over the place around here. Some counties are paying bounties up to $40 a pelt. They look a lot healthier around here than that poor creature shown above.....wow!

swan_derek · June 25, 2015, 08:42 PM

Coyote I would say. Not pretty

upstate81 · June 26, 2015, 12:19 AM

I think he ment the chupacabra wont be that far north haha. Of course coyotes are that far north, i live in ny and we have a coyote population that will make you sick. Naturally they are smart and more difficult to hunt.

June 20, 2015, 11:47 PM	#1
bungiex88 Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2015 Location: central pa Posts: 264	What the heck did I see Live in central pa coming home from work about midnight I saw something cross the road into my yard it was pure white carried itself like a red fox had the shape of a coyote no hair on the tail except for a ball at the end didn't look like he had to much of a coat on him either. I live out in the middle of no where so I know it's no one's dog. It was small body like a fox but taller like a coyote. I'd say it was probably 12 to 17 pounds. I pulled into my drive way then drove into the yard and chased it and it started jumping everywhere went inside got the gun tried scoping it with a light but couldn't see nothing but eyes. __________________ Life is to short to give a darn

June 21, 2015, 12:43 AM	#3
bungiex88 Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2015 Location: central pa Posts: 264	Poodle doesn't prounce around like this did. __________________ Life is to short to give a darn

June 21, 2015, 12:45 AM	#4
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	Mangy coyote pup __________________ Woohoo, I’m back In Texas!!!

June 21, 2015, 01:13 AM	#5
bungiex88 Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2015 Location: central pa Posts: 264	Would it be a albino too or are they white like that when young __________________ Life is to short to give a darn

June 21, 2015, 06:38 AM	#6
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	Could be hybrid, with dog. Some will still carry themselves like a coyote. __________________ Woohoo, I’m back In Texas!!!

June 21, 2015, 12:38 AM	#2
Despair Junior Member Join Date: December 15, 2014 Posts: 9	A lost poodle.

June 21, 2015, 08:06 AM	#7
Vt.birdhunter Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 637	Red Fox with scabies (sarocoptic?) mange. Our local foxes have it BAD this year. Been seeing them all times of day, they cant stop scratching. http://www.thebradentontimes.com/new.../#.VYa3g1LLLuc By me they appear very pale, almost sand colored, hairless with a pom-pom at tip of tail. __________________ Maintaining a constant state of cat-like readiness and a heightened state of suspicious alertness. Last edited by Vt.birdhunter; June 21, 2015 at 08:14 AM.

June 21, 2015, 08:25 AM	#8
NoSecondBest Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2009 Location: Western New York Posts: 2,736	I'm going with a Poodle. Who knows how they "prounce". That or a hybrid yeti-alien. Were you coming home from a night out?

June 21, 2015, 08:56 AM	#9
bungiex88 Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2015 Location: central pa Posts: 264	Birdhunter that picture in that link looked just like what I saw. __________________ Life is to short to give a darn

June 21, 2015, 10:59 AM	#10
Vt.birdhunter Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 637	I sent an email to a rescue organization last week; I really hope we dont lose our little population. I know and understand why they are a PEST to some. Around here we love seeing them in the woods. I saw a "mangy" looking fox a few years back. It bolted when it saw me; didnt concern as much as a sick animal that wont run. This year I can walk around and see 2-3 an hour from 50-100 yards out. Just scratching out in the open. Ive seen healthy appearing fox socializing in the open with the hairless ones. All hours of the day. Forget about winter...hairless they wont last a summer. Our veterinarian explained to us when we asked about shaving our huskies in the summer; they need that fur to thermoregulate in the summer as much in the winter. Sunburn, dehydration, bad news. __________________ Maintaining a constant state of cat-like readiness and a heightened state of suspicious alertness.

June 21, 2015, 11:45 AM	#11
buck460XVR Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2006 Posts: 4,342	A fox with the mange so bad it has no hair left, does not run and pounce nor does it go "jumping everywhere". By the time they get that far they are a very sick animal with very little if any energy. Any fox or 'yote I've seen with mange that bad is barely walking anymore. I too am going with Poodle until I get more evidence to the contrary.

June 21, 2015, 01:22 PM	#12
Vt.birdhunter Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 637	Seen it with my own eyes. Around 3pm, last sunday, known den site. 2 hairless red fox, small pom pom of hair remaining at tip of tale. Interacting with a third, healthy "appearing" fox. The 2 hairless were walking about in a restless, purposeless manor at a normal gait and speed. Stopping to scratch constantly. They ran when they spotted me. One hairless "play wrestled" with the haired fox. I see your point about the health of the animals. Cant disagree. But there are not multiple poodles on the loose around here that look like tiny hairless dogs. Theses critters cant be much more than 10 pounds...if that. Maybe its not mange....college kids with have-a-hart traps and Nair? I can be coaxed to get my game camera back from my nephew __________________ Maintaining a constant state of cat-like readiness and a heightened state of suspicious alertness.

June 21, 2015, 03:16 PM	#13
ATCDoktor Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2006 Posts: 172	Did t look anything like this? I shot this one about 2 years ago and in 20 years of coyote hunting it was the worse case of mange I had ever seen on an animal living or dead. She was very aggressive, barking and yapping at me from about 200 yards out. Until she started carrying on, I couldn't tell it was a coyote. A 32 grain Nosler Combined Technology bullet at near 4200 fps launched her into the sweet by and by with nary a twitch. She was passed hurting a microsecond after I pulled the trigger.

June 21, 2015, 04:14 PM	#14
Gunplummer Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2010 Location: South East Pa. Posts: 3,364	I have caught and seen fox with mange at the end of November. Your best bet is to shoot the ones you see and bury them with lime. It is not a dry skin condition. The skin literally rots off them and they will not recover in the wild. What they will do is spread it.

June 21, 2015, 06:35 PM	#15
Vt.birdhunter Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Posts: 637	Im curious why that bit of fur remains on the tail. Ive been seeing the same thing I see in you photo ATCdoktor....minus the gaping hole __________________ Maintaining a constant state of cat-like readiness and a heightened state of suspicious alertness.

June 21, 2015, 09:40 PM	#16
Gunplummer Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2010 Location: South East Pa. Posts: 3,364	Maybe it is not mange and is something else. Usually the first thing to go is the hair on the face and tail because of the way fox sleep.

June 22, 2015, 12:24 AM	#17
bungiex88 Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2015 Location: central pa Posts: 264	Yeah its fur was like that but skin was real pale and the size of a red fox like that first link __________________ Life is to short to give a darn

June 22, 2015, 12:25 AM	#18
bungiex88 Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2015 Location: central pa Posts: 264	I tried shooting it but proved difficult trying to hold my hunting light and rifle at same time off hand trying to shoot between 2 glowing eyes at 100 yards at midnight lol __________________ Life is to short to give a darn

June 22, 2015, 12:26 AM	#19
bungiex88 Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2015 Location: central pa Posts: 264	The ball of fur at end of tail was just a small amount maybe the size of a large cotton ball. __________________ Life is to short to give a darn

June 23, 2015, 12:00 AM	#20
bungiex88 Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2015 Location: central pa Posts: 264	Red fox with mange confirmed just talked to 2 neighbors saw the same thing running through the yard both said they thought it was a red fox with mange __________________ Life is to short to give a darn

June 23, 2015, 06:59 AM	#21
Mobuck Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2010 Posts: 6,846	"Mangy coyote pup" Chupacabra? I didn't think they'd got that far north. Could have been a mangy coyote. Coyote w/o fur doesn't look very big. The skin might reflect light and appear white(ish).

June 25, 2015, 03:38 PM	#22
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,300	north I've got family up in central PA, and the 'yote is indeed that far north and has been for a number of years. Blair, Central, Huntingdon counties all have them for sure, i'd expect many others as well. Pitiful looking with the mange indeed.

June 25, 2015, 08:03 PM	#23
SARuger Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2014 Location: Blue Ridge Mountains of VA Posts: 954	We have coyote all over the place around here. Some counties are paying bounties up to $40 a pelt. They look a lot healthier around here than that poor creature shown above.....wow!

June 25, 2015, 08:42 PM	#24
swan_derek Member Join Date: April 15, 2012 Posts: 16	Yuck Coyote I would say. Not pretty

June 26, 2015, 12:19 AM	#25
upstate81 Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2011 Location: NY Posts: 801	I think he ment the chupacabra wont be that far north haha. Of course coyotes are that far north, i live in ny and we have a coyote population that will make you sick. Naturally they are smart and more difficult to hunt.