What can a Smithy do?

jack_the_sailor · April 16, 2002, 09:33 PM

I've wondered what gunsmiths can do. Reduce trigger weight on revolver & or DAO pistol? On a DA/SA pistol that has a safety/decocker where putting on the safety decockes the pistol. Can the decocker be disconnected so the pistol can safely be carried SA "cocked & locked"?

James K · April 16, 2002, 11:50 PM

With enough money, all (or almost all) things are possible. But most pistols that use a decocker are not designed to be carried cocked and locked, so the decocker would have to be altered, or a separate safety would have to be designed, made, installed, and fitted. I think I can pretty well say that even if it could be done, it would not be worth it. Buying a gun like the CZ-75 would make more sense.

Another factor is that if a gunsmith did alter the action in that manner, and the gun owner shot his toes off, it is a good bet that he would blame, and sue, the pistolsmith who did what he was asked to do.

Reducing pull weight and smooting actions are the bread and butter of pistol smithing and can be done by almost any competent pistol smith (although the breed is becoming rare today).

Jim

C.R.Sam · April 17, 2002, 10:27 AM

Product liability inhibits a lot of the responsible folks.

Like Jim said, the good ones are getting rare.

Sam

**4V50 Gary** · April 17, 2002, 10:56 AM

Concur with the wisdom of J. Keenan. It's a major engineering change to convert a pistol from decock to lock & cock. Sometimes, like on the Ruger series, it may be merely changing the slide and a few parts in the frame. However on other guns like the Sig Sauer series, it's a major task. The CZ is the best way to go if you want cocked & locked along with DA/SA trigger.

4 Eyed Six Shooter · April 17, 2002, 07:10 PM

Hey, Don't forget the H&K USP pistols. They can be carried cocked and locked, D/A and also have a de cocker. Great weapons!

April 16, 2002, 09:33 PM	#1
jack_the_sailor Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2002 Posts: 291	What can a Smithy do? I've wondered what gunsmiths can do. Reduce trigger weight on revolver & or DAO pistol? On a DA/SA pistol that has a safety/decocker where putting on the safety decockes the pistol. Can the decocker be disconnected so the pistol can safely be carried SA "cocked & locked"?

April 17, 2002, 10:56 AM	#4
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,831	Concur with the wisdom of J. Keenan. It's a major engineering change to convert a pistol from decock to lock & cock. Sometimes, like on the Ruger series, it may be merely changing the slide and a few parts in the frame. However on other guns like the Sig Sauer series, it's a major task. The CZ is the best way to go if you want cocked & locked along with DA/SA trigger. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

April 17, 2002, 07:10 PM	#5
4 Eyed Six Shooter Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2001 Location: Idaho Posts: 105	Hey, Don't forget the H&K USP pistols. They can be carried cocked and locked, D/A and also have a de cocker. Great weapons! __________________ www.savagegunsmithing.com Fight Crime-Shoot Back!!!! Anyone worth shooting is worth shooting more than once!!!

April 16, 2002, 11:50 PM	#2
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	With enough money, all (or almost all) things are possible. But most pistols that use a decocker are not designed to be carried cocked and locked, so the decocker would have to be altered, or a separate safety would have to be designed, made, installed, and fitted. I think I can pretty well say that even if it could be done, it would not be worth it. Buying a gun like the CZ-75 would make more sense. Another factor is that if a gunsmith did alter the action in that manner, and the gun owner shot his toes off, it is a good bet that he would blame, and sue, the pistolsmith who did what he was asked to do. Reducing pull weight and smooting actions are the bread and butter of pistol smithing and can be done by almost any competent pistol smith (although the breed is becoming rare today). Jim

April 17, 2002, 10:27 AM	#3
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Product liability inhibits a lot of the responsible folks. Like Jim said, the good ones are getting rare. Sam