Blackpowder patch lube - Page 2

B.L.E. · August 24, 2014, 12:30 PM

I have gotten excellent groups with very lightly oiled patches. That's the whole idea of the water/ballistol patch lube method. You make a mix of water and ballistol, soak the patching material and then let the water evaporate leaving behind an extremely light coat of Ballistol. These will not clean the bore as you shoot, you have to wipe the bore with cleaning patches between shots.
The ratio of water to Ballistol determines how heavily the patch is lubed. The water is just a temporary solvent.

What you want is a completely dry bore ahead of the ball before shooting. That's the idea behind Teflon coated patching material that the ML benchrest shooters almost universally use. Before loading, they wipe the bore with cleaning patches, using Windex or something similar, and then dry the bore with a dry cleaning patch. Then they load a very tight fitting roundball and Teflon coated patch through a coned false muzzle without any other lube. Some will load the powder using a drop tube so no powder grains stick to the side of the bore.

kwhi43 · August 24, 2014, 01:25 PM

I was making and selling the Teflon coated patching over 40 years ago. Good Stuff!

campingnights · September 7, 2014, 03:07 PM

I went to the range today with my son's smokepole. Gave Hoppes black powder solvent and Birchwood Casey Muzzle Magic a good try. Both were effective, but the Muzzle Magic worked better as a patch lube. Could feel the difference after loading 7 or 8 rounds. Neither is as good as the white stuff I used over 20 plus years ago, course my recollection of the ease of reloading is when I was 30 plus years younger too.

Hawg · September 7, 2014, 06:10 PM

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kwhi43 · September 7, 2014, 07:24 PM

Is there a reason you don't want the white stuff you used 20 years ago?

campingnights · September 8, 2014, 12:11 AM

Ya, I used to regularly blanket shoot with a group back then. The milkey white stuff I used as a patch lube let me easily shoot 20 shots without swabbing the bore. It was great stuff. Looks like the Muzzle Magic will suffice since I'm just shooting with my son and grandson now. Thanks for the tips guys.

campingnights · September 8, 2014, 12:19 AM

Sorry Kwhi, I misread your post. i'd love to use the stuff again, but it looks like it just ain't made no more. Actually I shouldn't be surprised it ain't around anymore, counting backit was about 30 maybe 35 years ago.

campingnights · September 27, 2014, 07:43 PM

Just an update on my search for a great patch lube. I stopped my search for the "milky white stuff" I used a few decades ago, because I couldn't find it, but lo and behold I found something that is better. Shenandoah Valley Blackpowder Patch lube is SUPERB! I used it tonight and after 10-12 shots without swabbing the bore and it seemed like the ball was being sucked down the barrel. It was that easy. Great stuff, that's what I'll use from now on. Oh Midway has it.

kwhi43 · September 27, 2014, 08:02 PM

Mr Flintlocks lube is good also.

180pilot · December 28, 2014, 07:14 PM

Still have a lot left of a gallon after 9 years:

" CONTAINS NO NITRITES, MINERAL OILS, PHENOLS, PHOSPHATES, PCB's, OR HEAVY METALS
EXCEPTIONALLY LOW IN SULFUR, PHOSPHORUS AND CHLORINE
GOOD STABILITY IN HARD WATER SYSTEMS" Extreme pressure additives unique corrosion and rust inhibitors.

KEM-O-PRO SCO-922 20:1

http://jbchemicalusa.com/pds/sco922.html

**4V50 Gary** · December 28, 2014, 07:32 PM

Last time I shot I lubed my patches with the bear grease/oil that we rendered near school.

Sure Shot Mc Gee · December 28, 2014, 07:58 PM

Quote:

water soluble cutting oil.

can be purchased at better than average consumer auto parts stores. Store's that do machining and bearing pressing and/ or sell auto parts and deliver to professional repair business's. Here in this local its NAPA Auto Parts. Not O Reily or Pep Boys that primarily cater to us weekend mechanic's.

Ballistol and water soluble cutting oil can mimic each other in their purpose's. Moose milk as I was told is actually cutting oil blended w/ water.

DD4lifeusmc · December 28, 2014, 09:16 PM

CVA made a patch grease, but it was in a tube and more like thick toothpaste.
It was white in color.
No longer made
I got maybe 1/2 a tube left.

August 24, 2014, 12:30 PM	#26
B.L.E. Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2008 Location: Somewhere on the Southern shore of Lake Travis, TX Posts: 2,603	I have gotten excellent groups with very lightly oiled patches. That's the whole idea of the water/ballistol patch lube method. You make a mix of water and ballistol, soak the patching material and then let the water evaporate leaving behind an extremely light coat of Ballistol. These will not clean the bore as you shoot, you have to wipe the bore with cleaning patches between shots. The ratio of water to Ballistol determines how heavily the patch is lubed. The water is just a temporary solvent. What you want is a completely dry bore ahead of the ball before shooting. That's the idea behind Teflon coated patching material that the ML benchrest shooters almost universally use. Before loading, they wipe the bore with cleaning patches, using Windex or something similar, and then dry the bore with a dry cleaning patch. Then they load a very tight fitting roundball and Teflon coated patch through a coned false muzzle without any other lube. Some will load the powder using a drop tube so no powder grains stick to the side of the bore. __________________ Hanlon's Razor "Do not invoke conspiracy as explanation when ignorance and incompetence will suffice, as conspiracy implies intelligence and organization."

September 7, 2014, 03:07 PM	#28
campingnights Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2014 Location: Frozen North Posts: 272	I went to the range today with my son's smokepole. Gave Hoppes black powder solvent and Birchwood Casey Muzzle Magic a good try. Both were effective, but the Muzzle Magic worked better as a patch lube. Could feel the difference after loading 7 or 8 rounds. Neither is as good as the white stuff I used over 20 plus years ago, course my recollection of the ease of reloading is when I was 30 plus years younger too. __________________ Cry HAVOC! and let loose the chihuahuas of war. My wife told me that I can't have too many guns, I agreed and told her I can never have too many guns...and then the trouble began

September 8, 2014, 12:11 AM	#31
campingnights Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2014 Location: Frozen North Posts: 272	Ya, I used to regularly blanket shoot with a group back then. The milkey white stuff I used as a patch lube let me easily shoot 20 shots without swabbing the bore. It was great stuff. Looks like the Muzzle Magic will suffice since I'm just shooting with my son and grandson now. Thanks for the tips guys. __________________ Cry HAVOC! and let loose the chihuahuas of war. My wife told me that I can't have too many guns, I agreed and told her I can never have too many guns...and then the trouble began

September 8, 2014, 12:19 AM	#32
campingnights Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2014 Location: Frozen North Posts: 272	Sorry Kwhi, I misread your post. i'd love to use the stuff again, but it looks like it just ain't made no more. Actually I shouldn't be surprised it ain't around anymore, counting backit was about 30 maybe 35 years ago. __________________ Cry HAVOC! and let loose the chihuahuas of war. My wife told me that I can't have too many guns, I agreed and told her I can never have too many guns...and then the trouble began

September 27, 2014, 07:43 PM	#33
campingnights Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2014 Location: Frozen North Posts: 272	Just an update on my search for a great patch lube. I stopped my search for the "milky white stuff" I used a few decades ago, because I couldn't find it, but lo and behold I found something that is better. Shenandoah Valley Blackpowder Patch lube is SUPERB! I used it tonight and after 10-12 shots without swabbing the bore and it seemed like the ball was being sucked down the barrel. It was that easy. Great stuff, that's what I'll use from now on. Oh Midway has it. __________________ Cry HAVOC! and let loose the chihuahuas of war. My wife told me that I can't have too many guns, I agreed and told her I can never have too many guns...and then the trouble began

August 24, 2014, 01:25 PM	#27
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	I was making and selling the Teflon coated patching over 40 years ago. Good Stuff!

September 7, 2014, 06:10 PM	#29
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	deleted

September 7, 2014, 07:24 PM	#30
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	Is there a reason you don't want the white stuff you used 20 years ago?

September 27, 2014, 08:02 PM	#34
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	Mr Flintlocks lube is good also.

December 28, 2014, 07:14 PM	#35
180pilot Junior Member Join Date: December 20, 2004 Posts: 11	Synthetic metalworking fluid, SCO-922 Still have a lot left of a gallon after 9 years: " CONTAINS NO NITRITES, MINERAL OILS, PHENOLS, PHOSPHATES, PCB's, OR HEAVY METALS EXCEPTIONALLY LOW IN SULFUR, PHOSPHORUS AND CHLORINE GOOD STABILITY IN HARD WATER SYSTEMS" Extreme pressure additives unique corrosion and rust inhibitors. KEM-O-PRO SCO-922 20:1 http://jbchemicalusa.com/pds/sco922.html

December 28, 2014, 07:32 PM	#36
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,840	Last time I shot I lubed my patches with the bear grease/oil that we rendered near school. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

December 28, 2014, 09:16 PM	#38
DD4lifeusmc Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 2012 Location: Wyoming Posts: 351	grease CVA made a patch grease, but it was in a tube and more like thick toothpaste. It was white in color. No longer made I got maybe 1/2 a tube left.