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Racking a P238
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I am interested in pocket carry and one of the resounding suggestions is the Sig P238. Only problem is . . . I can't get comfortable with cocked and locked pocket carry. I have also read that the little 380 is very easy to rack. True? Rmocarsky |
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I pocket carry in one of these http://pjholster.com/?page_id=95.
Cocked & locked works great, never a problem, it racks very easily.
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Sad to say, but I've even performed an inadvertent drop test while cocked and locked. No issues, but even if the hammer had somehow fallen it does have a FPB.
Also, yes they have a light recoil spring and racking is performed easily. |
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Racking a P238 is incredibly easy. My mom has systemic lupus which affects the joints and it was the only one she was able to slide.
After some time with my CZ 75, the slide on the 238 feels like a toy It is seriously nothing. Lighter than some .22s I've used |
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Learn to carry with the chamber loaded and the hammer down. Thumb cock the hammer. It's safe.
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For years I carried a Colt Pocketlite in condition 2. You can cock upon drawing after practice (unloaded of course). This is a good skill for da/sa guns as well. It's more precise to cock it and use it single action. |
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I agree with Bill and Kcub, for pocket carry have round in chamber hammer down safety off. I have a P238, P938 and several Star DK pistols that are carried in this fashion in the pocket or IWB holster. I have no problem carrying cocked and locked until dropping into a pocket, unpleasant things could happen.
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I carried a mustang in a pocket cocked & locked for a couple of years and never had a problem. I carry a p238 the same way going on 4 years still no problem. I've never heard of one going off magically in anyone's pocket because they carried Cocked&Locked!
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Cock and locked is the only way the gun was designed to be carried. Its safe and has always been the way a 1911 type gun is made to be carried. Not to be too direct but, its your hang up if you cant understand and accept the way it is to be correctly carried. You shouldn't have to figure a work around carry method to your illogical fears.
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As I noted above, it has a firing pin block. Unless your safety gets turned off and the trigger pulls itself in your pocket you should be fine. If I didn't feel comfortable carrying in condition 1 then I wouldn't own it. |
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The P238, like the Colt Mustang, can be safely carried with the hammer down on a live round. The 238 I notice, has a half cock position. At any rate if a person does not feel comfortable with Condition 1 carry there are the other options available. I encourage folks to learn all the modes of carry so they can use each one or not as they feel the need or the situation calls for. Quote:
Also it is entirely a "correct" way to carry the gun condition 2 or three. May not be best in some situations but that is for the person carrying the gun to decide. Works best that way inmy experience. tipoc |
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No, condition one is not the ONLY way these guns were designed to be carried.
The 1911 was actually designed to be carried hammer down, condition 2. |
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The Sigs and Colts SA pocket pistols are great choices, carry them however you want just make certain you follow rule #2 if your lowering the hammer on a live round for conditon 2 carry.
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Just keep in mind these are not true 1911's. Like the original poster there are times I feel a bit uncomfortable carrying the 238 C&L'ed in a front pocket holster. I prefer carrying either hammer down empty or hammer down on a live round.
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Find any credible shooting institutions that advises carrying a 1911 type gun in any other condition than "cocked and locked"......there isn't any. Been to Gunsite twice and I can guarantee you that you would never ever be allowed to carry, practice or train with the 1911 in any other carry method than the "Cocked and Locked". Lets address the OP gun itself and see what the Sig manual states as a safe way of carrying the P238. They go out of their way to warn the operators never to carry the P938 with the hammer down on a live round. I suppose you could drive your car around with the door pushed open but that wouldn't be advisable either.
There is nothing complicated or debatable about this subject. Carry it as pictured and advised by every firearm institution and manufacturer of the gun.
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The P238 WAS NOT DESIGNED to be carried in Condition 2, it is not a 1911. Read the owners manual, it specifically mentions NOT lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber. Either carry it loaded and locked, or carry it with the chamber empty (which is not a good idea for self defense).
Get a good pocket holster that covers the trigger if there is a concern about somehow putting the thumb safety OFF and pulling the trigger while in your pocket.
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Non of today's 1911's are ment to be carried with the hammer down in a live round. All 1911's will show in their manual that they are only designed to be carried "Cocked and Locked". This is not debatable so let's not start any misinformation for new gun owners.
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All 1911s have an inertial firing pin. The thumb safety was added to the 1911 at the request of the cavalry. While I do agree that condition 1 is the preferred method of carry today, condition 2 is not unsafe. I have no direct knowledge of the SIG gun, other than it is a copy of a gun that is safe to carry in condition 2. BTW- the safety is "OFF" in your picture! |
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Condition 2 is not unsafe..GETTING IT THERE IS.
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The P238 does rack easily. The arguments against carrying unchambered are that racking the slide takes time that you may not have, and is done most efficiently with two hands and you won't always have two hands free. Both are valid arguments against carrying without a round in the chamber, but are to one extent or another equally valid arguments against carrying in ankle holsters, belly bands, kangaroo-style holsters, and tuckable holsters.
The safety of the P238 clicks very decisively on and off. Cocked and locked is safe with that pistol. I would recommend carrying with a chambered round in a holster that covers the trigger guard for it and any quality handgun. Carrying without a chambered round is a legitimate option if you just can't get comfortable with the idea, though, and is better than being completely unarmed. Quote:
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Thanks Tailgator. Lots of folks going off Half-Cocked
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But hey, maybe that's how you carry the knife too Personally, lacking a grip safety, I think I would be very hesitant to carry it in Condition 1 in a pocket. The holster mentioned at http://pjholster.com/?page_id=95 looks very good, however. |
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People think nothing of using a decocker on a gun. These are mechanical devices and I have seen them fail. I always lower the hammer with my thumb-decocker or not.
Of course you have to be careful lowering the hammer on a single action gun. After all, it's a GUN. If you train properly, it's as safe as any other gun handling. |
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mighty purty grips, Mystro
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Picture corrected. Grips are custom charcole box elder burl from "High figure grips". His grips are amazing and you get to select the exact wood since every pattern/hue is individual.
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