July 14, 2014, 03:15 PM | #26 |
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It looks nicer and can be touched up or redone easily? And it doesn't chip or flake. And the SAR guns are available in stainless.
I understand that coated guns are all the rage right now, but they make firearms look like craft projects. My old HK rifle is really nicely coated over the parkerizing, but even the FN that I had looked so gooey I couldn't stand it. |
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I won't lie, I also dislike the look of paint, but if it keeps it from rusitng then it's doing it's job... I for one don't need OD, DE, or camo dipping, I just need a gun.
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I would suggest starting by adding up the total cost of getting the gun, enough mags, holster, transfer + background check fees, tax, shipping, etc. Then go on Armslist or the equivalent and see what you could buy locally on the used market with none of the add-ons and more readily available accessories.
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Walther's German website lists the correct weight of 4000 grams (~8.8 lbs) for the double action trigger pull (and 2000 grams or ~4.4 lbs for the single action pull): http://www.carl-walther.de/cw.php?la...22&product=815 I just put a digital trigger scale on my P99AS and the double-action trigger pull averaged just under 8.4 lbs. The single-action pull averages right at 4.5 lbs. . Last edited by Fishbed77; July 15, 2014 at 02:10 PM. |
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works now.
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I'm curious if the slide is treated. Kydex will definitely wear the slide where you show in the video. I am not overly concerned if the finish is durable is there' some kind of treatment in addition to resist rust.
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cold bluing paste.
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My questions still remains.
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sorry, I thought you were talking about touching it up after it wears... my bad.
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Couple things:
IIRC Canik uses Cerakote and is the only certified refinisher in that part of the world. Cerakote is very high quality and should stand the test if time. Second the TP9 does not use "proprietary mags". They use the same mags as the Walther PPQ M2. Which is a huge plus for those of us who own one. $23 MecGar TP9 mags are cheaper than $40 Walther mags. I do not own a TP9, but I have handled and fired one. Very impressive for the point. |
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If it's true, then I stand corrected. [UPDATE: The following Walther Forum link indicates that TP-9 mags will fit in a PPQ M2, although they're 18rd rather than 15rd, so they project further from the grip than factory Walther mags do. That said, I haven't found anything confirming that the reverse also works, i.e. Walther mags in a TP-9. http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/p...ve-18-rds.html The Walther 15rd plastic mag base is visibly much thinner than the TP-9 18rd base, which could conflict (or at least look goofy) in conjunction with the projecting "tail" on the TP-9's grip, but I surmise that any interference could be remedied by judiciously trimming or filing the plastic.] Quote:
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just from what I've been able to find, Canik 18 rounders cost $22-ish online, Walther 10 and 15 round mags cost about $37-ish...
if the caniks are made by mec gar then I'd just as soon buy those as I would try to get walthers to work... then again if you already owned a wlather the interchangeability would be nice.
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Given that enormous base plate, I can't see using that mag if it doesn't fit flush to the magwell.
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Midway has OEM P99/MR9 mags for $29 right now, but I've seen them as low as $22.50 online. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/128...nd-steel-black |
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/477...ProductFinding Walther has a remarkably helpful picture on Page 15 of the PPQ M2 manual to illustrate why the paddle mags don't work: http://cdn1.waltherarms.com/wp-conte...Series-USA.pdf Folks on the Walther forum have modified paddle mags to fit button pistols, but it's been described as quite difficult and not worth the effort, because the steel is reportedly remarkably hard and thus very difficult to cut cleanly with hand tools. This explains why these folks are very excited to find a cheap substitute for M2 mags.
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We were discussing the merits of the P99 (which uses a paddle release) versus the TP-9 copy (which is much closer in operation to the P99 than the PPQ). Quote:
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Regarding the Cerakote finish. I am/was a traditionalist. I always thought a gun had to have a really great blued finish or be stainless. I ended up with a TriStar/Canik55 T-120 with the silver Cerakote. I thought it would just be a compromise that I had to live with, but it has grown on me. It is actually supposed to be more durable, by far, than blued or parkerized finishes. About 1000 rounds through it and so far the Cerakote still looks new. No chips or wear marks yet.
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Glad to hear it's holding up
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My main point is that paddle-release (P99, SW99, PPQ M1, and MR Eagle) and button-release (PPQ M2, TP-9) mags don't interchange with one another and are not readily convertible. This particular fact wasn't brought up previously in this thread, although it's been repeated ad nauseam in past threads, albeit without the (my?) knowledge that TP-9 mags were usable in an M2. FWIW I don't think I'd want to use the TP-9 "Big Butt" 18-rounders in a PPQ M2, despite the extra 3rds. They're bulky, look dumb, and are a (admittedly mild) detriment to CCW. YMMV. Quote:
However- despite the ability to use TP-9 mags in a M2- IMHO it's beyond dispute that paddle-release mags ARE substantially cheaper AND easier to find than button-release mags. Notably, the number of used button-release mags in circulation is effectively near zero. In addition to inexpensive new MR Eagle mags, there are used LE surplus SW99 mags floating around on the gun-show circuit.
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