Full-Auto Pistols

oldbillthundercheif · September 11, 2006, 07:01 PM

Alright, so there is the Stechkin

and the Glock 18

Did any other manufacturers ever make simmilar lead-hosers?

What's the deal with these things... can you even keep them on target? They seem like they might be more dangerous to the ceiling than anything else.

gunslinger555 · September 11, 2006, 07:36 PM

Beretta also made one the Beretta M-93R http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg137-e.htm and CZ made one the CZ 75 automatic. http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg51-e.htm The only full auto pistol I have shot is the g-18 and you have to do it in bursts to keep on target, thats why the M-93R is three shot burst. These guns are more popular in Europe in the more confined spaces because Europe is more "compact".

nbkky71 · September 11, 2006, 07:57 PM

The HK VP70 could fire bursts when fitted with the shoulder stock.

MisterPX · September 11, 2006, 08:16 PM

Don't forget the C96 Mauser select fire version. Or that some S&W 5906's were made FA. Some 1911's were made FA.

FirstFreedom · September 11, 2006, 08:25 PM

And don't forget a Mark 2 with superglue round the extended firing pin. JK, folks.

Bill DeShivs · September 11, 2006, 08:49 PM

Star built a few.
Bill

Evil Monkey · September 11, 2006, 09:31 PM

I like these Machine Pistols better than the cut down smg's like the mini uzi, mac 10, mp5k, etc. When you have to conceal a gun with lots of firepower for surprise CQ engagements, I believe real MP's are much better in terms of size, weight, and ergonomics.

kozak6 · September 11, 2006, 10:10 PM

Micro Uzi.

Some of the MAC's are actually fairly small as well.

GeorgeF · September 15, 2006, 10:33 AM

Mexico also made a machine pistol called the Trejo - in .22 It was constructed very well.

And yes, Star made select-fire pistols in 9mm and .45. Pretty much looked like a 1911 frame with a selector switch on the ribbed section of slide underneath the rear sight.

Yes, Mauser made the Schnellfeuer C96 - clones of which were also produced by Astra and Royal. One Astra model even had a 'clock' in it (model F) that gradually reduced the rate of fire in order to keep weapon controllable.

Casp_A · September 15, 2006, 12:12 PM

Bump for the Star MD and the Beretta M951R.

James K · September 15, 2006, 08:33 PM

"When you have to conceal a gun with lots of firepower for surprise CQ engagements, I believe real MP's are much better in terms of size, weight, and ergonomics."

Is this about pistols with an automatic fire capability? Have any of you guys ever actually fired a full automatic pistol? I have fired several, and they are jokes. Even with a shoulder stock, they are uncontrollable and almost guaranteed to empty an 8 or 10 round magazine before you can shut them off. With practice, you can get bursts or 3-4 shots, but even then the first, aimed, shot will hit the target and the second might, but the rest will go off into the "wild blue yonder."

Jim

Maser · September 15, 2006, 09:03 PM

The only full auto pistol I ever liked was the micro UZI. It had a laser sight and even shooting at full auto it was very easy and comfortable to shoot. I seen videos of Glock 18s being shot and I don't get how you can even be remotly accurate with that thing without the use of a stock.

RaiseHal · September 17, 2006, 07:43 PM

Mac 11 in 380acp

GeorgeF · September 18, 2006, 10:10 AM

Actually the Schnellfeuer with shoulder stock is not bad on short bursts - at 15 yds I can get all shots from burst in the black. But yes, after that you are just spraying ammo.

Allegedly the Chinese (who LOVE C96's - like six-shooters in American culture) would use the full auto side ways and sweep it parallel to the ground. I have no idea how effective that is, but migh tbe good against a horde of baddies charging at you. I'd rather be behind a belt fed or running in that situation, but there you go.

shaggy · September 18, 2006, 11:37 AM

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Mac 11 in 380acp

Technically, not a machine pistol since it has a stock. By size, however, its right in the MP ballpark; the receiver of the SWD M11A1 (.380) is exactly the same length as the slide of a Glock 17.

September 11, 2006, 07:01 PM	#1
oldbillthundercheif Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 2,450	Full-Auto Pistols Alright, so there is the Stechkin and the Glock 18 Did any other manufacturers ever make simmilar lead-hosers? What's the deal with these things... can you even keep them on target? They seem like they might be more dangerous to the ceiling than anything else.

September 11, 2006, 07:36 PM	#2
gunslinger555 Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2006 Location: Lima, ohio Posts: 580	Beretta also made one the Beretta M-93R http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg137-e.htm and CZ made one the CZ 75 automatic. http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg51-e.htm The only full auto pistol I have shot is the g-18 and you have to do it in bursts to keep on target, thats why the M-93R is three shot burst. These guns are more popular in Europe in the more confined spaces because Europe is more "compact". __________________ (")_(") OMG!!! I think I shot bunny in the face!

September 11, 2006, 09:31 PM	#7
Evil Monkey Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Posts: 812	I like these Machine Pistols better than the cut down smg's like the mini uzi, mac 10, mp5k, etc. When you have to conceal a gun with lots of firepower for surprise CQ engagements, I believe real MP's are much better in terms of size, weight, and ergonomics. __________________ BREAKING NEWS: Local man found in the street yelling "1911" and "45" while drooling, more at 11:00.

September 15, 2006, 12:12 PM	#10
Casp_A Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2004 Posts: 495	Bump for the Star MD and the Beretta M951R. __________________ Johnny was a chemist's son, but Johnny is no more. What Johnny thought was H2O was H2SO4.

September 11, 2006, 07:57 PM	#3
nbkky71 Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Location: Davidson, NC Posts: 417	The HK VP70 could fire bursts when fitted with the shoulder stock.

September 11, 2006, 08:16 PM	#4
MisterPX Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2006 Location: Amerika's Doyleland Posts: 809	Don't forget the C96 Mauser select fire version. Or that some S&W 5906's were made FA. Some 1911's were made FA.

September 11, 2006, 08:25 PM	#5
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	And don't forget a Mark 2 with superglue round the extended firing pin. JK, folks.

September 11, 2006, 08:49 PM	#6
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	Star built a few. Bill

September 11, 2006, 10:10 PM	#8
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	Micro Uzi. Some of the MAC's are actually fairly small as well.

September 15, 2006, 10:33 AM	#9
GeorgeF Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2004 Posts: 572	Mexico also made a machine pistol called the Trejo - in .22 It was constructed very well. And yes, Star made select-fire pistols in 9mm and .45. Pretty much looked like a 1911 frame with a selector switch on the ribbed section of slide underneath the rear sight. Yes, Mauser made the Schnellfeuer C96 - clones of which were also produced by Astra and Royal. One Astra model even had a 'clock' in it (model F) that gradually reduced the rate of fire in order to keep weapon controllable.

September 15, 2006, 08:33 PM	#11
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	"When you have to conceal a gun with lots of firepower for surprise CQ engagements, I believe real MP's are much better in terms of size, weight, and ergonomics." Is this about pistols with an automatic fire capability? Have any of you guys ever actually fired a full automatic pistol? I have fired several, and they are jokes. Even with a shoulder stock, they are uncontrollable and almost guaranteed to empty an 8 or 10 round magazine before you can shut them off. With practice, you can get bursts or 3-4 shots, but even then the first, aimed, shot will hit the target and the second might, but the rest will go off into the "wild blue yonder." Jim

September 15, 2006, 09:03 PM	#12
Maser Senior Member Join Date: May 21, 2006 Location: Mysterious Cities of Gold Posts: 920	The only full auto pistol I ever liked was the micro UZI. It had a laser sight and even shooting at full auto it was very easy and comfortable to shoot. I seen videos of Glock 18s being shot and I don't get how you can even be remotly accurate with that thing without the use of a stock.

September 17, 2006, 07:43 PM	#13
RaiseHal Junior Member Join Date: January 22, 2006 Posts: 8	Mac 11 in 380acp

September 18, 2006, 10:10 AM	#14
GeorgeF Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2004 Posts: 572	Actually the Schnellfeuer with shoulder stock is not bad on short bursts - at 15 yds I can get all shots from burst in the black. But yes, after that you are just spraying ammo. Allegedly the Chinese (who LOVE C96's - like six-shooters in American culture) would use the full auto side ways and sweep it parallel to the ground. I have no idea how effective that is, but migh tbe good against a horde of baddies charging at you. I'd rather be behind a belt fed or running in that situation, but there you go.