July 30, 2015, 07:23 AM | #1 |
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The Federal Appeals could upheld FL HB-155 stopping Dr. from asking patients about firearms ownership and entering this information into a data base. They can still ask, but they must in "good Faith" believe that it is relevant to patient care and safety.
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Doctors who have been brainwashed probably hold a sincere belief that keeping guns away from patients is a good idea, but that doesn't mean they (the doctors) have any professional/educational expertise on which to support that belief. Which means that for them to delve into firearms counseling is a professional boundary violation. NRA firearms instructors should not give medical advice. Doctors should not give firearms advice. Simple. |
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My Dr talks to me about reloading all the time. Just need more Doctors like him
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I've said this before, but there are very few legitimate reasons to ask about weapons when treating patients. In fact, if a patient verbalizes a desire to harm self or other, that fact is all that is needed. What tool or modality they intend to use matters little in most cases. The issue is that they intend some form of suicidal or homicidal intent, period.
I do not buy this counciling B.S. for safe firearm storage reason that is being given by some Doctors. Healthcare providers are NOT educated in firearms ownership/self defense and have no expertise in giving any advice on such matters, one way or the other. At best it's a boon doggle. It's a chargeable counseling with zero oversight. At worst it creates a searchable database of firearms owners, that would not be protected from State or Federal Government access, it won't. If fact, your healthcare insurer will also have access to such information as well, which in theory, could use such info to raise your rates as a person with a higher health risk. |
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steve,
I'm a doc and I ask my patients about their guns all the time. I also ask them if they have primers or powder to trade and how their AR and scope are shooting and what they'll be shooting at the upcoming match. Since many of my patients are shooters it is a pleasant discussion for both of us. best wishes- oldandslow |
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I am also a doc. Many of my patients discuss shooting and hunting with me. The question about firearms becomes medical and relevant in cases of suicidal ideation and attempted suicide. Part of the evaluation requires determining if the patient is a legitimate risk to him or herself by determining if they have the means or a plan for suicide. Often, this requires asking about firearms and ammunition. It does not require specific models or lists. I see this several times a week in an inpatient setting.
I don't see this being relevant to the overall health of a normal functioning individual. |
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I agree there doesn't need to be question on the review of systems for all patients concerning firearms. See the bottom sentence of my post.
If you are in the hospital or emergency room for psychiatric disease, especially leading to suicidal ideation, you better believe it is asked and documented. You are allowed to lie, of course. This is required of physicians wanting to circumvent civil suit for failing to properly address suicidal risk. I can't cite specific cases however the Texas Medical Jurisprudence study guide made this clear. I don't feel like digging it out of the attic to see which cases were cited. |
August 9, 2015, 05:44 PM | #9 |
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None of my doc's business; plain and simple- he can ask, ans I will not reveal anything
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My doc doesn't panic about my kids if they're a bit over/under weight against the averages nor a bit taller or shorter than the national averages. He rifle hunts elk and never asks me about my guns.
I'm so sticking with him.
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I shoot skeet with my doctor and also my priest, so I basically have all the bases covered.
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Since I've never been put under oath by a doctor, I've never felt compelled
to be totally honest about my firearms habits and inventory. When questioned about firearms ownership a simple "No" usually handles the moment. ......................... Jack
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