what do you recommend for a replica?

chief · March 1, 2009, 09:23 AM

Hi all, I'm looking to get a 1860's Colt Army and a 1858 Remignton.. I've been reading up alot on umberti and pietta, any experience with any of these?

Thx in advance.

gwnorth · March 1, 2009, 09:32 AM

So is a current Colt SA Army too expensive? Just saying if I wanted a Colt Army, I would want the real deal, since they still make them to the same specifications. But they are pricey.

Of the two you mention, I have fired a few friends Umberti's and they seem pretty well made, but I can't claim to have a lot of experience with them.

chief · March 1, 2009, 09:36 AM

yes to expensive, I'm looking to spend 4-$600 MAX

**Mike Irwin** · March 1, 2009, 10:12 AM

We have a blackpowder forum, so I'm going to move this there.

Hawg · March 1, 2009, 10:25 AM

I've got a Pietta 60 Army and a 58 Remington. Great guns. I have two Uberti SAA's and the fit and finish on them isn't any better than the Pietta C&B. Not as good on one.

Hawg · March 1, 2009, 10:28 AM

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So is a current Colt SA Army too expensive? Just saying if I wanted a Colt Army, I would want the real deal, since they still make them to the same specifications. But they are pricey.

He said 60 Colt, not SAA. Third gen. 60's weren't made by Colt, just licensed by them.

chief · March 1, 2009, 10:41 AM

Sorry about that Mike, I keep posting in the wrong forum...

if any of you have pics of your own pls post..

Hawg · March 1, 2009, 11:10 AM

I imagine folks hereabouts are tired of seeing my pics.

Pietta 60 Colt

Pietta 58 Remington. I bought this one used is why it has a drag line from the hammer being let down from half cock. I've since bought a new cylinder but haven't updated my pic.

chief · March 1, 2009, 11:27 AM

Very nice Hawg..

if you dont mind me asking how much you pay for a used '58?

w_houle · March 1, 2009, 11:55 AM

The cylinder for the Pietta is the longest for all of the 1860s (as well as 1851s), so I would go with it. Not sure about the remmys though. If you get a cartridge conversion for it you will find that the pietta will take the longest OAL, although mine doesnt like factory .45 Colt OAL of 1.6", but does .45 Schofield just fine, as i imagine all the other ones would too.

Hawg · March 1, 2009, 12:14 PM

I paid 135.00 for that one last year with two holsters.

w_houle · March 1, 2009, 12:32 PM

Oh come on, you know you want a '51

Hawg · March 1, 2009, 12:42 PM

I almost bought a 51 when I bought my 60 but I was already set up to cast balls for the .44 and I'm not real sure I'm gonna like a .36. My next one will most likely be a 51 tho.

Fingers McGee · March 1, 2009, 01:02 PM

Quote Chief

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Hi all, I'm looking to get a 1860's Colt Army and a 1858 Remignton.. I've been reading up alot on umberti and pietta, any experience with any of these?

Thx in advance.

I've had some, and got some of each; although I don't have Remmies anymore. Old ones and new ones. Quality of Pietta vs Uberti is about even over all. They both have their good points and not so good (wouldn't really call them bad) points. I personally like the grip profile of the Uberti's over the Piettas. I think the Pietta grips are a little too trumpet mouthed at the base * the Ubertis are more like the originals. I like the polish and blue on the Ubertis; but the Piettas have better case colors. Functionally, they generally are good out of the box and both are fairly easy to tune up.

With all that said, you can get a bad one from either manufacturer. Some are made on Friday afternoons and Monday mornings.

Like Hawg, some are probably getting tired of my pics too; but, here goes.

CraigC · March 2, 2009, 12:00 AM

Piettas are good guns but from my experience, Ubertis are better guns. Better internals, fit and finish. I've never seen a Uberti with the flaws my Piettas have.

Raider2000 · March 2, 2009, 05:25 AM

Have you bought a new Pietta recently, say within the past 5 years?

Pietta's have improved their quality control & is now on par or exceed Uberti.

As far as the cylinder length's go, Pietta's New Model Army cylinder is .010 longer than Uberti & Euroarms.

Hawg · March 2, 2009, 09:32 AM

I don't see any flaws in my Pietta's

Fingers McGee · March 2, 2009, 12:46 PM

I've got a 2004 Pietta 1861 Navy that's every bit as nice (actually better case colors) as my 2007 Uberti 1861 Navies. The Ubertis have lighter hammer springs; but the Pietta has a lighter trigger pull. Fit and finish on all of them is excellent.

FM

arcticap · March 2, 2009, 11:45 PM

It sounds like Ford vs. Chevy.
What it boils down is the percentage of defective guns and the number of defects per gun from each maker which no one could ever keep track of.
As long as no one ends up getting stuck with a defective gun, then they're both pretty good.
But since the "random" odds of getting a defective one is bound to happen to someone, then the argument shifts back again to what are the chances of getting a defective gun?
Some batches and individual guns from either company are just naturally going to be better [or worse] than others.
And if neither had any defects, then it's mostly just a matter of personal preference, cost and availability.

Fingers McGee · March 3, 2009, 12:47 AM

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It sounds like Ford vs. Chevy.

Yep. It's a Ginger or Mary Ann question. Personally I prefer Mary Ann.

I've had good and not so good Ubertis and Piettas - as well as 2nd Gen Colt BPs.

FM

mykeal · March 3, 2009, 07:13 AM

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Yep. It's a Ginger or Mary Ann question. Personally I prefer Mary Ann.

Maybe there's hope after all...

DrLaw · March 3, 2009, 08:14 AM

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Have you bought a new Pietta recently, say within the past 5 years?

I haven't, because of my past experience with Pietta. You saying that there are no more tool marks on the guns?

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Yep. It's a Ginger or Mary Ann question. Personally I prefer Mary Ann.

Me, too! Yummy, yum yum!

The Doc is out now.

Hawg · March 3, 2009, 08:20 AM

Might be some minor tool marks inside, not outside.

madcratebuilder · March 3, 2009, 08:51 AM

Pietta installed new cnc equipment a few years back. Quality has increased a lot. I have a newer Pietta 1858 target model and a 51 Navy .44, both have very good fit and finish. My 94 Pietta made Paterson is excellent.
I have two 1860 Army's, one Belgium made Centennial three screw, and a Uberti four screw, both are nice. The Centennial is made from some very hard steel. I would like to find another.
Pretty hard to beat Cabela's price on the 1858, it going to end soon, you may want to check it out.

Doc Hoy · March 4, 2009, 02:11 PM

Madcratebuilder,

I believe it was "Smokin Gun" who also said the steel in the Centaure is harder.

I picked one up in the purchase of a pair of pistols from one of the locals. 200.00 for an ASM Remy in essentially new condition plus this Centaure which is now with one of our compadres in Ohio for rehab. The Centaure is a pretty early serial number so it is a bit loose.

I am anxious to get it back but I don't dare rush the guy.

Cheers,

March 1, 2009, 09:23 AM	#1
chief Member Join Date: February 24, 2009 Posts: 29	what do you recommend for a replica? Hi all, I'm looking to get a 1860's Colt Army and a 1858 Remignton.. I've been reading up alot on umberti and pietta, any experience with any of these? Thx in advance.

March 1, 2009, 11:55 AM	#10
w_houle Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,391	The cylinder for the Pietta is the longest for all of the 1860s (as well as 1851s), so I would go with it. Not sure about the remmys though. If you get a cartridge conversion for it you will find that the pietta will take the longest OAL, although mine doesnt like factory .45 Colt OAL of 1.6", but does .45 Schofield just fine, as i imagine all the other ones would too. __________________ How could you have a slogan like "freedom is slavery" when the concept of freedom has been abolished?

March 1, 2009, 12:32 PM	#12
w_houle Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,391	Oh come on, you know you want a '51 __________________ How could you have a slogan like "freedom is slavery" when the concept of freedom has been abolished?

March 2, 2009, 12:46 PM	#18
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2008 Location: High & Dry in Missouri Ozarks Posts: 2,113	I've got a 2004 Pietta 1861 Navy that's every bit as nice (actually better case colors) as my 2007 Uberti 1861 Navies. The Ubertis have lighter hammer springs; but the Pietta has a lighter trigger pull. Fit and finish on all of them is excellent. FM __________________ Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce

March 2, 2009, 11:45 PM	#19
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	It sounds like Ford vs. Chevy. What it boils down is the percentage of defective guns and the number of defects per gun from each maker which no one could ever keep track of. As long as no one ends up getting stuck with a defective gun, then they're both pretty good. But since the "random" odds of getting a defective one is bound to happen to someone, then the argument shifts back again to what are the chances of getting a defective gun? Some batches and individual guns from either company are just naturally going to be better [or worse] than others. And if neither had any defects, then it's mostly just a matter of personal preference, cost and availability. Last edited by arcticap; March 3, 2009 at 12:01 AM.

March 1, 2009, 09:32 AM	#2
gwnorth Senior Member Join Date: September 3, 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 692	So is a current Colt SA Army too expensive? Just saying if I wanted a Colt Army, I would want the real deal, since they still make them to the same specifications. But they are pricey. Of the two you mention, I have fired a few friends Umberti's and they seem pretty well made, but I can't claim to have a lot of experience with them.

March 1, 2009, 09:36 AM	#3
chief Member Join Date: February 24, 2009 Posts: 29	yes to expensive, I'm looking to spend 4-$600 MAX

March 1, 2009, 10:12 AM	#4
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	We have a blackpowder forum, so I'm going to move this there.

March 1, 2009, 10:25 AM	#5
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	I've got a Pietta 60 Army and a 58 Remington. Great guns. I have two Uberti SAA's and the fit and finish on them isn't any better than the Pietta C&B. Not as good on one.

March 1, 2009, 10:41 AM	#7
chief Member Join Date: February 24, 2009 Posts: 29	Sorry about that Mike, I keep posting in the wrong forum... if any of you have pics of your own pls post..

March 1, 2009, 11:10 AM	#8
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	I imagine folks hereabouts are tired of seeing my pics. Pietta 60 Colt Pietta 58 Remington. I bought this one used is why it has a drag line from the hammer being let down from half cock. I've since bought a new cylinder but haven't updated my pic.

March 1, 2009, 11:27 AM	#9
chief Member Join Date: February 24, 2009 Posts: 29	Very nice Hawg.. if you dont mind me asking how much you pay for a used '58?

March 1, 2009, 12:14 PM	#11
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	I paid 135.00 for that one last year with two holsters.

March 1, 2009, 12:42 PM	#13
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	I almost bought a 51 when I bought my 60 but I was already set up to cast balls for the .44 and I'm not real sure I'm gonna like a .36. My next one will most likely be a 51 tho.

March 2, 2009, 12:00 AM	#15
CraigC Junior member Join Date: November 28, 2001 Location: West Tennessee Posts: 4,300	Piettas are good guns but from my experience, Ubertis are better guns. Better internals, fit and finish. I've never seen a Uberti with the flaws my Piettas have.

March 2, 2009, 05:25 AM	#16
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	Have you bought a new Pietta recently, say within the past 5 years? Pietta's have improved their quality control & is now on par or exceed Uberti. As far as the cylinder length's go, Pietta's New Model Army cylinder is .010 longer than Uberti & Euroarms.

March 2, 2009, 09:32 AM	#17
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	I don't see any flaws in my Pietta's

March 3, 2009, 08:20 AM	#23
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Might be some minor tool marks inside, not outside.

March 3, 2009, 08:51 AM	#24
madcratebuilder Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2007 Location: Northern Orygun Posts: 4,923	Pietta installed new cnc equipment a few years back. Quality has increased a lot. I have a newer Pietta 1858 target model and a 51 Navy .44, both have very good fit and finish. My 94 Pietta made Paterson is excellent. I have two 1860 Army's, one Belgium made Centennial three screw, and a Uberti four screw, both are nice. The Centennial is made from some very hard steel. I would like to find another. Pretty hard to beat Cabela's price on the 1858, it going to end soon, you may want to check it out.

March 4, 2009, 02:11 PM	#25
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Centaure Madcratebuilder, I believe it was "Smokin Gun" who also said the steel in the Centaure is harder. I picked one up in the purchase of a pair of pistols from one of the locals. 200.00 for an ASM Remy in essentially new condition plus this Centaure which is now with one of our compadres in Ohio for rehab. The Centaure is a pretty early serial number so it is a bit loose. I am anxious to get it back but I don't dare rush the guy. Cheers, __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.