Browning Belgium mark II 30-06 ?????

tisc63128 · November 9, 2011, 10:46 PM

I have just purchased this old bolt action rifle that looks as if it has been re-blued. Not very well I should say. The gentleman, whom I know, said it was a Browning Belgium made 30-06 bolt action rife. Problem is I cant find hardly any markings. Cant find anything on the barrel. Let me type what I have found. Has a dupont neoprene grand lux recoil pad. 9868,,,I think,,stamped on the bottom of the gun. Plate under the bullets. Something that looks like a square with lines going down from it and the numbers 6869 stamped on the bolt reciever. On bolt receiever is has what looks like a cursive H a 45 and a K on it. A number 17 on the trigger assembly. On the back of the bolt it clearly says,,, Mark II. It looks like at the very end of the barrel it seems to expand very slightly at the end. Any help at all would be very much appreciated. Does anyone have a clue what I might have???

Buzzcook · November 10, 2011, 01:30 AM

If you post pictures the people that know what they're talking about will respond.

The people that don't know what they're talking about will do the same.

Jim Watson · November 10, 2011, 09:29 AM

I bet the "Mark II" is actually on the safety, not the bolt itself. The Dayton Traister Mark II scope safety was very common on sporterized Mausers.

I recognize none of the markings you describe from other FN/Brownings and you mention none of the markings that SHOULD be on an FN/Browning.

I think your "gentleman" sold you an Internet Pig In A Poke that is probably a sporterized military rifle. But it will take pictures to be sure.

Dave Anderson · November 10, 2011, 11:03 AM

Quote:

If you post pictures the people that know what they're talking about will respond.

The people that don't know what they're talking about will do the same.

That one got my morning off to a good start with a laugh. Thanks!

tisc63128 · November 10, 2011, 09:53 PM

Thanks to all, I will be back in town tommorow and will assemble and take pictures. Thanks again, will be in touch tommorow night

Scorch · November 12, 2011, 01:28 AM

The Mark II on the rear of the bolt is a Dayton-Traister aftermarket safety lever.

The H on the receiver ring could mean it is a Husqvarna M98 built on an FN commercial receiver.

The number on the receiver and on the floorplate are the same number, just that you are looking at one of them upside down.

tisc63128 · November 12, 2011, 09:17 AM

would apprecitate any help guys.

mapsjanhere · November 12, 2011, 10:32 AM

We really need good pictures of the few marks you found. First impression is "unknown military receiver with US aftermarket barrel". If the 30-06 barrel was original from European production it would have proof marks, typically under the barrel close to the receiver.

tisc63128 · November 12, 2011, 10:57 AM

does this help

tisc63128 · November 12, 2011, 10:58 AM

I am not even sure it is an 06. Absoultuely no markings on barrel.

tisc63128 · November 12, 2011, 11:05 AM

help any?

Scorch · November 12, 2011, 12:41 PM

OK!
You have a sporterized M98 of indeterminate lineage (not an FN commercial action). It has been rebarreled, so it may actually be a 30-06 or something else, it is impossible to tell from pictures. The trigger was reworked to eliminate the 2-step feel, and may or may not be safe. The receiver was cold-blued. The bolt handle was taken to a grinder. This was never a quality job.

Your scope appears to be a Texan scope mounted in Weaver mounts that are installed backwards.

The recoil pad is a common enough pad from days gone by, but dates to the 1960s.

The stock is an aftermarket stock produced by one of the plethora of stockmaking companies that sprang up after WW2 to provide stocks for the firearms market. Most are now gone, all have changed hands over the past 30 years as the original founders left.

Value is about $250-$300.

tisc63128 · November 12, 2011, 01:26 PM

Man you just cant trust anyone. This guy was supposed to be a "collector" Just blew $250. I really appreciate your help scorch.

Scorch · November 12, 2011, 07:19 PM

I am not sure how your friend figured it was a Browning, it looks nothing like a Browning and is not marked Browning anywhere.

PetahW · November 17, 2011, 12:03 PM

[Just blew $250]

You paid about what it's worth.

If it WAS an FN Browning, you would have had to pay 2x-3x as much.

.

November 9, 2011, 10:46 PM	#1
tisc63128 Junior Member Join Date: November 9, 2011 Posts: 7	Browning Belgium mark II 30-06 ????? I have just purchased this old bolt action rifle that looks as if it has been re-blued. Not very well I should say. The gentleman, whom I know, said it was a Browning Belgium made 30-06 bolt action rife. Problem is I cant find hardly any markings. Cant find anything on the barrel. Let me type what I have found. Has a dupont neoprene grand lux recoil pad. 9868,,,I think,,stamped on the bottom of the gun. Plate under the bullets. Something that looks like a square with lines going down from it and the numbers 6869 stamped on the bolt reciever. On bolt receiever is has what looks like a cursive H a 45 and a K on it. A number 17 on the trigger assembly. On the back of the bolt it clearly says,,, Mark II. It looks like at the very end of the barrel it seems to expand very slightly at the end. Any help at all would be very much appreciated. Does anyone have a clue what I might have???

November 12, 2011, 01:28 AM	#6
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	The Mark II on the rear of the bolt is a Dayton-Traister aftermarket safety lever. The H on the receiver ring could mean it is a Husqvarna M98 built on an FN commercial receiver. The number on the receiver and on the floorplate are the same number, just that you are looking at one of them upside down. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

November 12, 2011, 10:32 AM	#8
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,832	We really need good pictures of the few marks you found. First impression is "unknown military receiver with US aftermarket barrel". If the 30-06 barrel was original from European production it would have proof marks, typically under the barrel close to the receiver. __________________ I used to love being able to hit hard at 1000 yards. As I get older I find hitting a mini ram at 200 yards with the 22 oddly more satisfying.

November 12, 2011, 10:58 AM	#10
tisc63128 Junior Member Join Date: November 9, 2011 Posts: 7	30-06? I am not even sure it is an 06. Absoultuely no markings on barrel.

November 12, 2011, 12:41 PM	#12
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	OK! You have a sporterized M98 of indeterminate lineage (not an FN commercial action). It has been rebarreled, so it may actually be a 30-06 or something else, it is impossible to tell from pictures. The trigger was reworked to eliminate the 2-step feel, and may or may not be safe. The receiver was cold-blued. The bolt handle was taken to a grinder. This was never a quality job. Your scope appears to be a Texan scope mounted in Weaver mounts that are installed backwards. The recoil pad is a common enough pad from days gone by, but dates to the 1960s. The stock is an aftermarket stock produced by one of the plethora of stockmaking companies that sprang up after WW2 to provide stocks for the firearms market. Most are now gone, all have changed hands over the past 30 years as the original founders left. Value is about $250-$300. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

November 10, 2011, 01:30 AM	#2
Buzzcook Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2007 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 6,126	If you post pictures the people that know what they're talking about will respond. The people that don't know what they're talking about will do the same.

November 10, 2011, 09:29 AM	#3
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,541	I bet the "Mark II" is actually on the safety, not the bolt itself. The Dayton Traister Mark II scope safety was very common on sporterized Mausers. I recognize none of the markings you describe from other FN/Brownings and you mention none of the markings that SHOULD be on an FN/Browning. I think your "gentleman" sold you an Internet Pig In A Poke that is probably a sporterized military rifle. But it will take pictures to be sure.

November 10, 2011, 09:53 PM	#5
tisc63128 Junior Member Join Date: November 9, 2011 Posts: 7	Thanks to all, I will be back in town tommorow and will assemble and take pictures. Thanks again, will be in touch tommorow night

November 12, 2011, 01:26 PM	#13
tisc63128 Junior Member Join Date: November 9, 2011 Posts: 7	THANK YOU Man you just cant trust anyone. This guy was supposed to be a "collector" Just blew $250. I really appreciate your help scorch.

November 12, 2011, 07:19 PM	#14
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	I am not sure how your friend figured it was a Browning, it looks nothing like a Browning and is not marked Browning anywhere. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

November 17, 2011, 12:03 PM	#15
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 4,678	[Just blew $250] You paid about what it's worth. If it WAS an FN Browning, you would have had to pay 2x-3x as much. .