Bersa 380 with Borken TRIGGER

lasvegastransplant · May 22, 2011, 11:29 PM

Has anyone had issues with theirs? The trigger will not drop the hammer at all. Single or double action. Trigger wont even return all the way either sometimes. I'm assuming the spring causes the trigger not to return but what would cause it not to drop the hammer?? No tension at all when squeezing the trigger.

I owned one years ago and loved it. My wife purchases her T380 one month and "2" days ago(used). Today was her first time shooting it(about 55-65 rounds). The gun store she got it from has a "30" day return policy. SUCKS

We did leave a message hoping they will call tomorrow and possibly resolve this issue. DOUBT IT.

I will NEVER allow her to buy a used gun ever again. I had a feeling about it from the jump. Looked unused inside and out.... Buying used really is not worth it. Especially an ..."Inexpensive"

type pistol. I looked up some threads a little bit ago and it seems like this happens to Bersas. Mine never had a problem. Maybe because I got mine NEW. This was going to be her CCW and now it's a paper weight. After this(even if it's fixed) I cannot let her use it as her CCW. I liked T380's until today. I'm going to buy her a nice revolver. Any suggestions on a QUALITY pistol NOT made from crap steel or aluminum parts? Something that will last for our Grandkids to shoot.

What would it cost to fix it? I read something on another threat about a broken trigger bar.?? If that was broke in this case, what would we be looking at to fix? Thanks

CajunBass · May 23, 2011, 01:44 AM

I had that problem with a Bersa 22 once. Puling the trigger felt like the safety was on. There was just nothing.

A trip to the gunsmith left him scratching his head for a few minutes, then he found that the rubber grips had a bit of "mold flashing" on the inside that pressed against the trigger bar. Powder fouling had built up in that area enough to interfear with the trigger bar. He ground the flashing off the inside of the grips, and the gun has worked fine ever since. No charge.

Might or might not help you, but it's cheap to check.

You can do what you want, but if I got it fixed, I wouldn't hesitate to carry it, or let my wife carry it. Stuff breaks. It happens.

BombthePeasants · May 23, 2011, 08:43 AM

what is a Borken trigger? is that an aftermarket trigger?

SwampYankee · May 23, 2011, 08:51 AM

Thank goodness it's Borken and not broken!

You do run the risk with used firearms but for the price, they generally cannot be beat. I have dozens of handguns, I only bought two new. The Ruger Redhawk has been perfect. The Charter Arms (bought new) has been a disaster, back to the factory twice. Of my used guns, two went back to the factory, one for a missing sight and the other for a damaged sear- a bit of home gunsmithing on the part of a previous owner.

Obviously, some companies make better products than others but it does not hurt to keep the warranty in mind (or just the plain service) when buying used.

lasvegastransplant · May 23, 2011, 10:01 AM

The trigger will not drop the hammer. Almost feels like the safety is on but not. Also when releasing, it does not return all the way. It feels like it need some lubrication(but doesn't).

B. Lahey · May 23, 2011, 10:13 AM

Bersas tend to bork alright. Could be a broken spring borking you, that's a common problem.

Find out who does service for Bersa, I recall it's one lonesome gunsmith. Get it fixed, sell it, don't buy Bersa again. It will almost certainly be cheaper to have your gunshop mail it in for you, your options are expensive mailing a handgun as an individual, FFLs are not burdened with the same shipping requirements.

The problem is not that it was used, the problem is that it was a used Bersa. I have had far more problems with NIB guns than used classics.

lasvegastransplant · May 23, 2011, 10:37 AM

I don't trust it anymore for the Wife. She deserves to feel comfortable with her pistol and not scared that it will fail again. The look on her face when her FIRST pistol stopped working unlike anything I ever seen. Total disgust written all over her. :barf:

I did like Bersa and she only purchased it remembering that my old Bersa worked without an issue. I know machines break but DARN what a heap this one turned out to be.

schotz · May 23, 2011, 09:35 PM

Only takes ten seconds and a screw-driver to take the grip panel off and look. Could just be something minor as CajunBass said.

lasvegastransplant · May 23, 2011, 09:53 PM

Everything seems to be fine. Gun store called today and said bring it by. I'll post the results when it is fixed. Thanks for the advice though. It's probably going to end up in a drawer and forgotten about. The wife is already looking at a few different pistol/revolvers

triggerman770 · May 27, 2011, 09:00 AM

" FFLs are not burdened with the same shipping requirements."
really???
We ship thru the same USPS;UPS:Fed-x as non FFL's and as such have to meet the same requirements. I may get better pricing on the last two due to my affiliations with certain organizations to which dues etc are paid. but that is the only difference. FWIW an individual can ship a gun to any FFL or the manufacturer and it can be shipped directly back under the same requirements as the FFL or the Manufacturer

lasvegastransplant · May 27, 2011, 10:27 AM

We took it to the shop and the guy looked at it for like 2 minutes and fixed it. He found that a spring had come loose. It was SSSSSO simple

that we just laughed. I know now what to look for. The spring was off set just a little. He said that it happens sometimes and that if it ever did again that they would grind the groove that the spring sits in. It was the spring under the right grip at the top by the trigger bar. I guess sometimes the groove is too shallow and the spring will slip out.

That being said we planned on shooting that day anyways and got to shoot the Bersa also. Shot like 60 rounds through it. BUT...Once it took a few squeezes to fire???

Works fine now though. Removed the right grip and checked the spring while cleaning it and saw noting wrong. Fun to shoot but this particular pistol is not a CCW. My Wife wants a 38 now...

Her father likes revolvers and she has been considering one. I would feel safer if she were to carry one anyways.

B. Lahey · May 27, 2011, 10:33 AM

Quote:

We ship thru the same USPS;UPS:Fed-x as non FFL's and as such have to meet the same requirements. I may get better pricing on the last two due to my affiliations with certain organizations to which dues etc are paid. but that is the only difference. FWIW an individual can ship a gun to any FFL or the manufacturer and it can be shipped directly back under the same requirements as the FFL or the Manufacturer

Non-FFLs must ship handguns overnight (policy of UPS as well as other common carriers), and can not use standard USPS shipping (federal law).

Figured an FFL would know that...

http://www.thegunzone.com/ship-guns.html

May 22, 2011, 11:29 PM	#1
lasvegastransplant Member Join Date: May 15, 2011 Location: Vegas Posts: 74	Bersa 380 with Borken TRIGGER Has anyone had issues with theirs? The trigger will not drop the hammer at all. Single or double action. Trigger wont even return all the way either sometimes. I'm assuming the spring causes the trigger not to return but what would cause it not to drop the hammer?? No tension at all when squeezing the trigger. I owned one years ago and loved it. My wife purchases her T380 one month and "2" days ago(used). Today was her first time shooting it(about 55-65 rounds). The gun store she got it from has a "30" day return policy. SUCKS We did leave a message hoping they will call tomorrow and possibly resolve this issue. DOUBT IT. I will NEVER allow her to buy a used gun ever again. I had a feeling about it from the jump. Looked unused inside and out.... Buying used really is not worth it. Especially an ..."Inexpensive" type pistol. I looked up some threads a little bit ago and it seems like this happens to Bersas. Mine never had a problem. Maybe because I got mine NEW. This was going to be her CCW and now it's a paper weight. After this(even if it's fixed) I cannot let her use it as her CCW. I liked T380's until today. I'm going to buy her a nice revolver. Any suggestions on a QUALITY pistol NOT made from crap steel or aluminum parts? Something that will last for our Grandkids to shoot. What would it cost to fix it? I read something on another threat about a broken trigger bar.?? If that was broke in this case, what would we be looking at to fix? Thanks __________________ Thinking 4:24/7 is a way of life.

May 23, 2011, 01:44 AM	#2
CajunBass Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2005 Location: North Chesterfield, Virginia Posts: 4,767	I had that problem with a Bersa 22 once. Puling the trigger felt like the safety was on. There was just nothing. A trip to the gunsmith left him scratching his head for a few minutes, then he found that the rubber grips had a bit of "mold flashing" on the inside that pressed against the trigger bar. Powder fouling had built up in that area enough to interfear with the trigger bar. He ground the flashing off the inside of the grips, and the gun has worked fine ever since. No charge. Might or might not help you, but it's cheap to check. You can do what you want, but if I got it fixed, I wouldn't hesitate to carry it, or let my wife carry it. Stuff breaks. It happens. __________________ For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 (NKJV)

May 23, 2011, 10:01 AM	#5
lasvegastransplant Member Join Date: May 15, 2011 Location: Vegas Posts: 74	Broken is Broken The trigger will not drop the hammer. Almost feels like the safety is on but not. Also when releasing, it does not return all the way. It feels like it need some lubrication(but doesn't). __________________ Thinking 4:24/7 is a way of life.

May 23, 2011, 10:13 AM	#6
B. Lahey Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,857	Bersas tend to bork alright. Could be a broken spring borking you, that's a common problem. Find out who does service for Bersa, I recall it's one lonesome gunsmith. Get it fixed, sell it, don't buy Bersa again. It will almost certainly be cheaper to have your gunshop mail it in for you, your options are expensive mailing a handgun as an individual, FFLs are not burdened with the same shipping requirements. The problem is not that it was used, the problem is that it was a used Bersa. I have had far more problems with NIB guns than used classics. __________________ "A human being is primarily a bag for putting food into; the other functions and faculties may be more godlike, but in point of time they come afterwards." -George Orwell

May 23, 2011, 10:37 AM	#7
lasvegastransplant Member Join Date: May 15, 2011 Location: Vegas Posts: 74	Going to sell this piece. I don't trust it anymore for the Wife. She deserves to feel comfortable with her pistol and not scared that it will fail again. The look on her face when her FIRST pistol stopped working unlike anything I ever seen. Total disgust written all over her. :barf: I did like Bersa and she only purchased it remembering that my old Bersa worked without an issue. I know machines break but DARN what a heap this one turned out to be. __________________ Thinking 4:24/7 is a way of life.

May 23, 2011, 08:43 AM	#3
BombthePeasants Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 351	what is a Borken trigger? is that an aftermarket trigger?

May 23, 2011, 08:51 AM	#4
SwampYankee Registration in progress Join Date: November 1, 2008 Location: I can be found on a number of other forums. Posts: 1,333	Thank goodness it's Borken and not broken! You do run the risk with used firearms but for the price, they generally cannot be beat. I have dozens of handguns, I only bought two new. The Ruger Redhawk has been perfect. The Charter Arms (bought new) has been a disaster, back to the factory twice. Of my used guns, two went back to the factory, one for a missing sight and the other for a damaged sear- a bit of home gunsmithing on the part of a previous owner. Obviously, some companies make better products than others but it does not hurt to keep the warranty in mind (or just the plain service) when buying used.

May 23, 2011, 09:35 PM	#8
schotz Junior Member Join Date: January 10, 2010 Location: Northeastern ,MN Posts: 10	Only takes ten seconds and a screw-driver to take the grip panel off and look. Could just be something minor as CajunBass said.

May 23, 2011, 09:53 PM	#9
lasvegastransplant Member Join Date: May 15, 2011 Location: Vegas Posts: 74	I have taken it apart to look Everything seems to be fine. Gun store called today and said bring it by. I'll post the results when it is fixed. Thanks for the advice though. It's probably going to end up in a drawer and forgotten about. The wife is already looking at a few different pistol/revolvers __________________ Thinking 4:24/7 is a way of life.

May 27, 2011, 09:00 AM	#10
triggerman770 Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2009 Location: Metro Atlanta Area Posts: 125	Bersa " FFLs are not burdened with the same shipping requirements." really??? We ship thru the same USPS;UPS:Fed-x as non FFL's and as such have to meet the same requirements. I may get better pricing on the last two due to my affiliations with certain organizations to which dues etc are paid. but that is the only difference. FWIW an individual can ship a gun to any FFL or the manufacturer and it can be shipped directly back under the same requirements as the FFL or the Manufacturer __________________ Small Arms Restoration, Inc. smallarmsrestoration.net Proud member of Georgia Carry.org www.georgiacarry.org

May 27, 2011, 10:27 AM	#11
lasvegastransplant Member Join Date: May 15, 2011 Location: Vegas Posts: 74	Fixed any working fine. We took it to the shop and the guy looked at it for like 2 minutes and fixed it. He found that a spring had come loose. It was SSSSSO simple that we just laughed. I know now what to look for. The spring was off set just a little. He said that it happens sometimes and that if it ever did again that they would grind the groove that the spring sits in. It was the spring under the right grip at the top by the trigger bar. I guess sometimes the groove is too shallow and the spring will slip out. That being said we planned on shooting that day anyways and got to shoot the Bersa also. Shot like 60 rounds through it. BUT...Once it took a few squeezes to fire??? Works fine now though. Removed the right grip and checked the spring while cleaning it and saw noting wrong. Fun to shoot but this particular pistol is not a CCW. My Wife wants a 38 now... Her father likes revolvers and she has been considering one. I would feel safer if she were to carry one anyways. __________________ Thinking 4:24/7 is a way of life.