A little info on the Gen3's

Gunslick · August 5, 2016, 11:27 PM

So I am not going to say which company but it pertains to mags. I am sure you all can figure it out Gen3 **ags. This is not to knock the Gen3 of said company because they truly are great but this is what I heard from a very reliable source..so Gen 3 mags were having their polymer made, and if you run them this should make sense to you. They claim they are stronger but they are not, sure they bounce back a little better but that is because the polymer used was a HUGE batch of polymer mixed and ready for the molds. They screwed the pouch on the integrity of the polymer and couldn't just throw it away. Ya some will never know the difference but some will notice due to high round count shoots, competition, training, etc. etc. So they released the Gen3's with thinner feed lips and polymer that is so soft and spoungy (theres a better word for that I am sure rather than spoungy but you should get the drift). For prophet they couldn't dump tons of Poly so they released them. Example: take a Gen 2 and run 1 mag at least 5000 rounds-do the same with the Gen 3; now before 5000 rounds the Gen 3 will develope not only feed lip spread but magazine body spread toward the top of the mag. I know there are some on here that can back that up. Insert your semi-high round count Gen3 into your weapon and just drop the mag as you normally would, notice the round below the top sticks out and is difficult to seat on a closed bolt. This is a no go for me. Take you Gen 2, heck run 10,000 rounds through it and there will be no feedlip spread at all with or without the dust cover. The Gen2 Pmag is better. Said company tried to fix this issue by adding a couple thous on each side of the nub under the feed lips that keeps the rounds straight. I have not gotton one Gen 3 to pass 8000 rounds and thats being nice. No offense to the company but the Gen 2 mags are MUCH better get them while you can for they will be fased out soonish. I still run the dust cover to keep out dirt but it DOES take the pressure off the feed lips. I have mentioned no magazine company in this thread and will not. But you get what I am saying. I have tested these mags, both of them, I am going to find the thread right now and repost here shortly about the Gen 2 making it past 120,000 rounds. Hope no one takes offense to this. It is just the actually fielded test that I have done and it is what it is, no biggie stick with the Gen 2's. By the way, they stopped running different colors for the 2's, Black is inherently stronger due to lack of dye needed to make the color so stick with black. Thank you. PM me for more questions.

turtlehead · August 6, 2016, 12:47 AM

Now THAT'S a wall of text.

marine6680 · August 6, 2016, 01:40 AM

It is a bit hard to read.

agtman · August 6, 2016, 07:51 AM

Dude's likely a close talker.

smee78 · August 6, 2016, 08:14 AM

You said the company when you put "The Gen2 Pmag is better."

This problem may be true but I don't count on a plastic mag being around forever so when it cracks I will throw it away and dig out my other aluminum or steel mags. LOL

CockNBama · August 6, 2016, 08:31 AM

I'm waiting breathlessly for your further report.

When you do that multi-thousand round acceptance test, be sure to iterate on ammo type, mag generation and brand of receiver.

CarJunkieLS1 · August 6, 2016, 09:23 AM

I can get Gen 3 mags for a "AR-10" for $16 buck each...I'll just buy a few of them and never use them. That way after 5000 rounds of each mag I'll have a brand new one to use.

OP I'm sorry but I just don't see the issue here.

turtlehead · August 6, 2016, 09:24 AM

You must replace a lot of barrels with the amount of high volume shooting you do. What kind of round counts are you getting before wearing out your barrels?

And what barrels do you recommend?

WVMountaineer · August 6, 2016, 09:14 PM

My thoughts exactly. You buy Magazine's when you find them cheap or, you need them. I don't expect them to last for 100,000 rounds. Pistol mags when stored loaded wear out much quicker. I suspect the same for AR mags.

God bless men

johnwilliamson062 · August 6, 2016, 10:15 PM

Quote:

They screwed the pouch on the integrity of the polymer and couldn't just throw it away.

These are, to the best of my knowledge, injected molded. I've worked in automotive injection molding. We hardly ever had more than a few days material on hand for plastics we ran a lot. Sometimes a lot less. It was pelletized. If there was a problem with any of the material it could be mixed with correct material in small amounts. Same as was done with any rejected parts after they were ground up.

Gen 3 mags are a couple years old. They may have made a bach with bad plastic, but I won't for one second believe they bought multiple years worth of bad plastic, realized their mistake before production started, and never fixed the mistake in later runs. If they are using a plastic that only last 5,000 rounds it is because they want to use it. It might have qualities that make it better for most shooters who will never shoot that much.

5,000 rounds is
$1500+ in ammunition cost
most of a 556 barrels life($200+ after installation)
$16 in magazine cost

Also, very hard to read. I may go overboard breaking up my posts, but some breaks are needed.

Palmetto-Pride · August 7, 2016, 07:04 PM

I am not going to say who here in this thread has a lot of spare time on their hands, but the person that made the post before post number 2 is the poster I am talking about, but I don't want to give away that it is the original poster.....

Ibmikey · August 9, 2016, 05:15 PM

Palmetto, Say What!? I do not record the number rounds that go through each magazine so I will just need to be surprised when the mag melts and runs out of the mag well and puddles at my feet along with the ammo. I have at least forty p mags so that may be an ocean and not a puddle.

August 5, 2016, 11:27 PM	#1
Gunslick Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2016 Posts: 321	A little info on the Gen3's So I am not going to say which company but it pertains to mags. I am sure you all can figure it out Gen3 **ags. This is not to knock the Gen3 of said company because they truly are great but this is what I heard from a very reliable source..so Gen 3 mags were having their polymer made, and if you run them this should make sense to you. They claim they are stronger but they are not, sure they bounce back a little better but that is because the polymer used was a HUGE batch of polymer mixed and ready for the molds. They screwed the pouch on the integrity of the polymer and couldn't just throw it away. Ya some will never know the difference but some will notice due to high round count shoots, competition, training, etc. etc. So they released the Gen3's with thinner feed lips and polymer that is so soft and spoungy (theres a better word for that I am sure rather than spoungy but you should get the drift). For prophet they couldn't dump tons of Poly so they released them. Example: take a Gen 2 and run 1 mag at least 5000 rounds-do the same with the Gen 3; now before 5000 rounds the Gen 3 will develope not only feed lip spread but magazine body spread toward the top of the mag. I know there are some on here that can back that up. Insert your semi-high round count Gen3 into your weapon and just drop the mag as you normally would, notice the round below the top sticks out and is difficult to seat on a closed bolt. This is a no go for me. Take you Gen 2, heck run 10,000 rounds through it and there will be no feedlip spread at all with or without the dust cover. The Gen2 Pmag is better. Said company tried to fix this issue by adding a couple thous on each side of the nub under the feed lips that keeps the rounds straight. I have not gotton one Gen 3 to pass 8000 rounds and thats being nice. No offense to the company but the Gen 2 mags are MUCH better get them while you can for they will be fased out soonish. I still run the dust cover to keep out dirt but it DOES take the pressure off the feed lips. I have mentioned no magazine company in this thread and will not. But you get what I am saying. I have tested these mags, both of them, I am going to find the thread right now and repost here shortly about the Gen 2 making it past 120,000 rounds. Hope no one takes offense to this. It is just the actually fielded test that I have done and it is what it is, no biggie stick with the Gen 2's. By the way, they stopped running different colors for the 2's, Black is inherently stronger due to lack of dye needed to make the color so stick with black. Thank you. PM me for more questions.

August 6, 2016, 08:14 AM	#5
smee78 Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,918	You said the company when you put "The Gen2 Pmag is better." This problem may be true but I don't count on a plastic mag being around forever so when it cracks I will throw it away and dig out my other aluminum or steel mags. LOL __________________ We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located, among the millions and millions of cows in America, but we haven't got a clue where thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists are

August 7, 2016, 07:04 PM	#11
Palmetto-Pride Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2009 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 2,071	I am not going to say who here in this thread has a lot of spare time on their hands, but the person that made the post before post number 2 is the poster I am talking about, but I don't want to give away that it is the original poster..... __________________ “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” -Margaret Thatcher-

August 6, 2016, 12:47 AM	#2
turtlehead Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2015 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,203	Now THAT'S a wall of text.

August 6, 2016, 01:40 AM	#3
marine6680 Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2012 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,594	It is a bit hard to read.

August 6, 2016, 07:51 AM	#4
agtman Junior member Join Date: July 26, 2001 Location: midwest Posts: 2,374	Dude's likely a close talker.

August 6, 2016, 08:31 AM	#6
CockNBama Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2014 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 206	I'm waiting breathlessly for your further report. When you do that multi-thousand round acceptance test, be sure to iterate on ammo type, mag generation and brand of receiver.

August 6, 2016, 09:23 AM	#7
CarJunkieLS1 Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2013 Posts: 686	I can get Gen 3 mags for a "AR-10" for $16 buck each...I'll just buy a few of them and never use them. That way after 5000 rounds of each mag I'll have a brand new one to use. OP I'm sorry but I just don't see the issue here.

August 6, 2016, 09:24 AM	#8
turtlehead Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2015 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,203	You must replace a lot of barrels with the amount of high volume shooting you do. What kind of round counts are you getting before wearing out your barrels? And what barrels do you recommend?

August 6, 2016, 09:14 PM	#9
WVMountaineer Senior Member Join Date: January 11, 2015 Posts: 330	My thoughts exactly. You buy Magazine's when you find them cheap or, you need them. I don't expect them to last for 100,000 rounds. Pistol mags when stored loaded wear out much quicker. I suspect the same for AR mags. God bless men

August 9, 2016, 05:15 PM	#12
Ibmikey Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2013 Location: Now relocated to Texas Posts: 2,943	Palmetto, Say What!? I do not record the number rounds that go through each magazine so I will just need to be surprised when the mag melts and runs out of the mag well and puddles at my feet along with the ammo. I have at least forty p mags so that may be an ocean and not a puddle.