Can anyone tell me what gun this is, who made it.

SaigaSolutions · February 6, 2006, 01:14 PM

Hey everyone.

My grandparents left me what appears to be a .410 shotgun. I say its a shotgun b.c it has a smooth bore and extractor for a shell.

I was told it is from England.

Thanks
Ian

Jim Watson · February 6, 2006, 01:29 PM

Well, if the maker didn't care enough to put his name on it...

There were a lot of simple sidelever single shots in late Century XIX.
Transcribe the markings on the barrel underlump and look for proof marks. Maybe somebody can decode them.

It has a two leaf rear sight so it probably was not originally a .410 smoothbore. A lot of nice old rifles were ruined in England, people would have them bored out into "shotguns" rather than jump through all the hoops to get the firearms certificate required for a rifle. At one time shotguns were not papered and even after they were, it was a lot easier to get them licensed.

SaigaSolutions · February 6, 2006, 02:03 PM

The text on the side of the barrel lock is a patent number "ORJID PATENT"
OK here are a few more photos.

This photo is of the underside of the barrel underneath the handguard.

in order from the muzzle/crown back:

1. crown with a Roman style text "P" below the crown
2. Crown with a Roman style text "V" below the crown
3. it has a .410 inside a diamond
4. crown with a print style text "BP" below the crown
5. crown with a print style text "BV" below the crown
6. Numbers 405
7. crown with cursive style text below (cant tell what the initials are) below the crown.
8. H and unknown character
9. Serial Number

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SaigaSolutions Junior Member Join Date: September 27, 2005 Posts: 6	Can anyone tell me what gun this is, who made it. Hey everyone. My grandparents left me what appears to be a .410 shotgun. I say its a shotgun b.c it has a smooth bore and extractor for a shell. I was told it is from England. Thanks Ian

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February 6, 2006, 01:29 PM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,528	Well, if the maker didn't care enough to put his name on it... There were a lot of simple sidelever single shots in late Century XIX. Transcribe the markings on the barrel underlump and look for proof marks. Maybe somebody can decode them. It has a two leaf rear sight so it probably was not originally a .410 smoothbore. A lot of nice old rifles were ruined in England, people would have them bored out into "shotguns" rather than jump through all the hoops to get the firearms certificate required for a rifle. At one time shotguns were not papered and even after they were, it was a lot easier to get them licensed.

February 6, 2006, 02:03 PM	#3
SaigaSolutions Junior Member Join Date: September 27, 2005 Posts: 6	The text on the side of the barrel lock is a patent number "ORJID PATENT" OK here are a few more photos. This photo is of the underside of the barrel underneath the handguard. in order from the muzzle/crown back: 1. crown with a Roman style text "P" below the crown 2. Crown with a Roman style text "V" below the crown 3. it has a .410 inside a diamond 4. crown with a print style text "BP" below the crown 5. crown with a print style text "BV" below the crown 6. Numbers 405 7. crown with cursive style text below (cant tell what the initials are) below the crown. 8. H and unknown character 9. Serial Number