nagant revolver 32 acp

johnwilliamson062 · November 17, 2008, 09:38 PM

Got a cylinder in the mail today. Installed it. Weapon will not cycle. On pull of the trigger hammer comes halfway back, cylinder rotates then hammer gets sstck. Can not single action fire the pistol as the hammer gets stuck at the same spot. Cylinder does not go forward, so the gap is massive. Did I install it wrong? Do the replacement cylinders make it DA only? I am not sure the hammer goes back far enough it would ignite the primer when it is released.
Really the trigger just gets caught at the point it needs to push the cylinder forward then if I release the trigger the hammer resettles on a new cartridge. If I pull the cylinder slightly while pulling the trigger the firearm functions correctly.

I almost bought 5 of the cylinders as I plan to buy 4 more of the pistols for suppressor projects. Sure glad I did not. Also glad I did not purchase the pistols as Nagant is too expensive to shoot.

greywalker · November 18, 2008, 12:54 AM

the nagant .32 cylinder may take a bit of modification to make it work right- check around online, there are a lot of step by step guides- as to cost, outside of shooting the acp, hotshot nagant ammo is not as bad, about .50 a shot- not great, but not as bad as the older stuff....

TEDDY · November 18, 2008, 07:44 PM

you can make nagant from 32/20 cases.would be cheaper than cylinder.

noelf2 · November 18, 2008, 08:43 PM

I have 2 nagants and I bought one 32 acp cylinder. It fits and functions in one of them (a 1938 Tula) with no modification needed, but does the same thing as yours in my other nagant (a 1940 Tula). Personally, I don't even care for the 32acp cylinder as it is nowhere near as accurate as shooting 32 swl, and neither acp or swl are as accurate as actual nagant ammo. If I could get my money back for the 32 acp cylinder, I'd dump it.

saands · November 18, 2008, 08:59 PM

+1 on the 32/20 based reloads ... EASY, EASY, EASY and they shoot just fine.

Saands

noelf2 · November 19, 2008, 09:25 AM

After thought to my post. I'm a bit confused as to why you would want 32acp cylinders for a suppressor project. Suppression would work better with the gas seal nagant ammo in the original cylinders.

Nagant ammo is expensive to shoot, but you could get 10 boxes of it for less than the cost of 5 32acp cylinders. 500 rounds is a good bit of ammo for a suppressor project. Just a thought.

johnwilliamson062 · November 21, 2008, 10:59 AM

I know the suppressors will not function without 7.62 Nagant ammunition. Most of the time I would be shooting it without them. This is really just a novelty project that makes no sense financially. Not sure if I would buy cylinders for all 5 guns. maybe just one or two. Before this problem I did not know the cylinders were all custom fitted to each frame when produced. I assumed each cylinder could be interchanged without problems.

Wildalaska · November 21, 2008, 11:32 AM

You can get real Nagant ammo almost as cheap as .32 acp

WildandthenreloadthatAlaska TM

Tamara · November 21, 2008, 11:20 PM

My .32ACP cylinder worked fine in my '41 Nagant. I gave it to my roommate, but I don't know if she's tried it in hers yet.

As others have said, it would seem to defeat the purpose of the suppressor project...

johnwilliamson062 · November 22, 2008, 12:40 AM

I can get 32 acp at walmart for a little over a quarter a rod. Haven't found Nagant for near that.

I realize suppressors need the original cylinder. Nagant ammo is not a whole lot more expensive, but it will really start to get expensive soon, it is all imported. The things are fun to shoot and with cylinder are only $150. There is a dealer who is going to sell me a few pre-fitted.

ED21 · November 22, 2008, 11:58 AM

Let me first say I know nothing about these revolvers. Only what I have read here and there. Pretty interesting. I read that one can shoot 32 long. Can one shoot 32 short or even the .327 mag? Just wondering here. Thanks.

noelf2 · November 22, 2008, 05:36 PM

Will shoot 32 s&w, 32 s&w long, and from what I understand a lot of folks shoot 32 h&r magnum (although I wouldn't try it). The 32 s&w and long cases will bulge and split so you won't be able to reload them. Seems to be really involved to reload the nagant ammo. I'm considering rechambering my 32acp cylinder to 32 s&w long because I already reload that caliber for another revolver. I will be able to keep using the brass with the nagant instead of ruining it.

johnwilliamson062 · November 22, 2008, 08:49 PM

the lee dies for the nagant ammo are $160
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...280&t=11082005

I seem to be the only one who likes these revolvers. I think they are great. You can't buy a better plinking revolver for $300.
At $80 it is easy to justify the cylinder or whatever.

Tamara · November 23, 2008, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwilliamson062

I seem to be the only one who likes these revolvers.

Compared to Wildalaska, you don't like Nagants at all...

johnwilliamson062 · November 23, 2008, 10:19 AM

I always knew there was a good reason for me liking WA so much, we are the only ones who have good taste.

Wildalaska · November 23, 2008, 12:26 PM

I see my Russian avatar has been invoked by the krasivii Tamia....

Nagants are my hobby. One must be not right in ones head to indulge in it.

Thou shall not screw with .32acp, it is an unclean and an abomination. Thou must create ones own loads with 30 carbine dies, viz, wotwot
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...loading+nagant

Go ye and create. Place oneself in the midset. Eat potatos, raw. Drink samogen. Smoke Belomors. Screech "KobaKobaKoba" while dragging yourself down a polished hall. Wear leather trenchcoats and slurp tea with a sugar cube in your teeth. Bellow slogans while target practicing such as "Take that you viper" or "Down with the left Trotskyite deviationists"

WilditsthatrootsgigdespitethepersecutionAlaska TM

johnwilliamson062 · November 23, 2008, 05:19 PM

I can tell my life is all down hill from here...

johnwilliamson062 · November 23, 2008, 07:04 PM

Maybe I should quit my job as an insurance agent and move to Alaska to be a gunsmith...
I often think if i had realized people made a living at being a gunsmith when I was in HS I would have tried to go that route. No one ever told me...

UpandAtIt · March 16, 2010, 07:35 AM

I use the 32-20 and resize and reload. The 32acp cyl I got from J&G worked fine, just took away from the mystic of the Naggy. I am in the process of making "Man Grips" for mine, those little mismatched and mis-fitted grips are just too small for me.

All in all, best $100 I have spent for a pistol that actually works. I am not so sure the cost of the acp cyl was a good idea but at least I can find 32acp even at walmart. The 32-20's componets are becoming rarer and costlier. The dies I have were from the UK and work just fine in my Lyman press, the dies only cost me $27 for the forming and then $32 for the full set of reloading dies.

Never thought of using .30 cal carbine brass, I will have to look into that. That could be the final hurdle and answer to the Naggy ammo issues.

WA, what is your process for using 30 cal carbine brass ? What tools etc ?
What powder, bullet do you use?

olyinaz · March 16, 2010, 08:42 PM

Quote:

You can't buy a better plinking revolver for $300.

Well that's a highly subjective statement but I want one nonetheless.

Oly

November 17, 2008, 09:38 PM	#1
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	nagant revolver 32 acp Got a cylinder in the mail today. Installed it. Weapon will not cycle. On pull of the trigger hammer comes halfway back, cylinder rotates then hammer gets sstck. Can not single action fire the pistol as the hammer gets stuck at the same spot. Cylinder does not go forward, so the gap is massive. Did I install it wrong? Do the replacement cylinders make it DA only? I am not sure the hammer goes back far enough it would ignite the primer when it is released. Really the trigger just gets caught at the point it needs to push the cylinder forward then if I release the trigger the hammer resettles on a new cartridge. If I pull the cylinder slightly while pulling the trigger the firearm functions correctly. I almost bought 5 of the cylinders as I plan to buy 4 more of the pistols for suppressor projects. Sure glad I did not. Also glad I did not purchase the pistols as Nagant is too expensive to shoot. Last edited by johnwilliamson062; November 17, 2008 at 10:01 PM.

November 18, 2008, 07:44 PM	#3
TEDDY Junior member Join Date: December 10, 2006 Location: MANNING SC Posts: 837	nagant you can make nagant from 32/20 cases.would be cheaper than cylinder.

November 18, 2008, 08:43 PM	#4
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	I have 2 nagants and I bought one 32 acp cylinder. It fits and functions in one of them (a 1938 Tula) with no modification needed, but does the same thing as yours in my other nagant (a 1940 Tula). Personally, I don't even care for the 32acp cylinder as it is nowhere near as accurate as shooting 32 swl, and neither acp or swl are as accurate as actual nagant ammo. If I could get my money back for the 32 acp cylinder, I'd dump it. __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

November 19, 2008, 09:25 AM	#6
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	After thought to my post. I'm a bit confused as to why you would want 32acp cylinders for a suppressor project. Suppression would work better with the gas seal nagant ammo in the original cylinders. Nagant ammo is expensive to shoot, but you could get 10 boxes of it for less than the cost of 5 32acp cylinders. 500 rounds is a good bit of ammo for a suppressor project. Just a thought. __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

November 21, 2008, 11:20 PM	#9
Tamara Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 16,002	My .32ACP cylinder worked fine in my '41 Nagant. I gave it to my roommate, but I don't know if she's tried it in hers yet. As others have said, it would seem to defeat the purpose of the suppressor project... __________________ MOLON LABE! 2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium. The Arms Room: An Online Museum.

November 18, 2008, 12:54 AM	#2
greywalker Member Join Date: June 27, 2008 Location: the midwest Posts: 82	the nagant .32 cylinder may take a bit of modification to make it work right- check around online, there are a lot of step by step guides- as to cost, outside of shooting the acp, hotshot nagant ammo is not as bad, about .50 a shot- not great, but not as bad as the older stuff....

November 18, 2008, 08:59 PM	#5
saands Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 1999 Posts: 1,573	+1 on the 32/20 based reloads ... EASY, EASY, EASY and they shoot just fine. Saands

November 21, 2008, 10:59 AM	#7
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	I know the suppressors will not function without 7.62 Nagant ammunition. Most of the time I would be shooting it without them. This is really just a novelty project that makes no sense financially. Not sure if I would buy cylinders for all 5 guns. maybe just one or two. Before this problem I did not know the cylinders were all custom fitted to each frame when produced. I assumed each cylinder could be interchanged without problems.

November 21, 2008, 11:32 AM	#8
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	You can get real Nagant ammo almost as cheap as .32 acp WildandthenreloadthatAlaska TM

November 22, 2008, 12:40 AM	#10
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	I can get 32 acp at walmart for a little over a quarter a rod. Haven't found Nagant for near that. I realize suppressors need the original cylinder. Nagant ammo is not a whole lot more expensive, but it will really start to get expensive soon, it is all imported. The things are fun to shoot and with cylinder are only $150. There is a dealer who is going to sell me a few pre-fitted.

November 22, 2008, 11:58 AM	#11
ED21 Member Join Date: June 5, 2007 Location: NC Posts: 29	Let me first say I know nothing about these revolvers. Only what I have read here and there. Pretty interesting. I read that one can shoot 32 long. Can one shoot 32 short or even the .327 mag? Just wondering here. Thanks.

November 22, 2008, 05:36 PM	#12
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	Will shoot 32 s&w, 32 s&w long, and from what I understand a lot of folks shoot 32 h&r magnum (although I wouldn't try it). The 32 s&w and long cases will bulge and split so you won't be able to reload them. Seems to be really involved to reload the nagant ammo. I'm considering rechambering my 32acp cylinder to 32 s&w long because I already reload that caliber for another revolver. I will be able to keep using the brass with the nagant instead of ruining it. __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

November 22, 2008, 08:49 PM	#13
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	the lee dies for the nagant ammo are $160 http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...280&t=11082005 I seem to be the only one who likes these revolvers. I think they are great. You can't buy a better plinking revolver for $300. At $80 it is easy to justify the cylinder or whatever. Last edited by johnwilliamson062; November 22, 2008 at 08:54 PM.

November 23, 2008, 10:19 AM	#15
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	I always knew there was a good reason for me liking WA so much, we are the only ones who have good taste.

November 23, 2008, 12:26 PM	#16
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	I see my Russian avatar has been invoked by the krasivii Tamia.... Nagants are my hobby. One must be not right in ones head to indulge in it. Thou shall not screw with .32acp, it is an unclean and an abomination. Thou must create ones own loads with 30 carbine dies, viz, wotwot http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...loading+nagant Go ye and create. Place oneself in the midset. Eat potatos, raw. Drink samogen. Smoke Belomors. Screech "KobaKobaKoba" while dragging yourself down a polished hall. Wear leather trenchcoats and slurp tea with a sugar cube in your teeth. Bellow slogans while target practicing such as "Take that you viper" or "Down with the left Trotskyite deviationists" WilditsthatrootsgigdespitethepersecutionAlaska TM

November 23, 2008, 05:19 PM	#17
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	I can tell my life is all down hill from here...

November 23, 2008, 07:04 PM	#18
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	Maybe I should quit my job as an insurance agent and move to Alaska to be a gunsmith... I often think if i had realized people made a living at being a gunsmith when I was in HS I would have tried to go that route. No one ever told me...

March 16, 2010, 07:35 AM	#19
UpandAtIt Junior member Join Date: February 14, 2010 Posts: 233	I use the 32-20 and resize and reload. The 32acp cyl I got from J&G worked fine, just took away from the mystic of the Naggy. I am in the process of making "Man Grips" for mine, those little mismatched and mis-fitted grips are just too small for me. All in all, best $100 I have spent for a pistol that actually works. I am not so sure the cost of the acp cyl was a good idea but at least I can find 32acp even at walmart. The 32-20's componets are becoming rarer and costlier. The dies I have were from the UK and work just fine in my Lyman press, the dies only cost me $27 for the forming and then $32 for the full set of reloading dies. Never thought of using .30 cal carbine brass, I will have to look into that. That could be the final hurdle and answer to the Naggy ammo issues. WA, what is your process for using 30 cal carbine brass ? What tools etc ? What powder, bullet do you use?