To Tavor or not to Tavor

marine6680 · May 28, 2014, 11:58 AM

Well.... That says... Most of it anyway.

I think they are interesting, I have seen a few reviews. I have held a few, and while different, they are not too unwieldy.

In the end, I want something different than an AR... And utilizes the same round.

Same mags is a plus.

The options feel a little overwhelming... But that's a good thing.

My knowledge base on individual MSR rifles outside of the AR are not where I would like them to be. So a little help is always appreciated.

This is in relation to the thread I started in the general rifle section.

I am 75% sure on a M1A Scout for a .308, but may change my mind if someone points out something interesting.

Theohazard · May 28, 2014, 12:12 PM

Get one! The Tavor is awesome, the only real downside would be if you don't like bullpups. I like the Tavor better than any other bullpup I've tried. Heck, it even has a good trigger (for a bullpup, at least). And I think someone makes an aftermarket trigger for it, too.

SR420 · May 28, 2014, 12:26 PM

If at all possible, you really should try one before you buy one.

BTW, the Scout is an excellent choice.

marine6680 · May 28, 2014, 12:26 PM

Everyone seems to like them.

I looked at the SCAR, but the price and magazine compatibility turned me away. Though I do have a good bit of GI mags I prefer pmags.

Trying may be more difficult... From hands on manipulation, it seems good.

I am pretty adaptable, there usually has to be a big problem or several annoyances to make me dislike a gun.

tahunua001 · May 28, 2014, 01:10 PM

if you're sure about about an M1a, then I would get that. it would be more useful for more applications. the tavor is a fun little toy and useful if the US is ever invaded and the US military drops the ball but it's not a hunting rig. it's not a good target rig or particularly useful at long ranges. that is where the M1A shines.

DubC-Hicks · May 28, 2014, 01:20 PM

After seeing a Tavor and an AUG side by side, and actually getting a feel for them (i couldn't shoot them), I'd choose the AUG all day. It's now my favorite bullpup. It's sleek, slim, more ergonomic to me, and has the quick detach barrel for easy cleaning and storage. The trigger felt nicer than the Tavor too. You can even get one that takes AR mags.

marine6680 · May 28, 2014, 01:49 PM

Its not a question of which... M1A or Tavor...

I'm getting a .308 semi of some kind... And maybe a Tavor... Or and something else.

Next step is to choose a bolt gun as well.

leadcounsel · May 28, 2014, 04:36 PM

In general, I love bullpups for their efficiency. I own an MSAR, and love it. It did have a $1400 price tag. The Tavor is even more.

They are great IF you're an entry team, or a mech/mobile assault team.

For the home owner on a budget, it's probably not practical. For a gun enthusiast where money is no object. Get it.

(I don't have nor ever fired a Tavor, but did inspect one).

marine6680 · May 28, 2014, 04:47 PM

It a pure fun toy if I get it... which is most of my guns anyway. I don't hunt so no need for that.

marine6680 · May 28, 2014, 07:05 PM

I seen a complaint of gas in the face when firing... anyone else have this issue?

bfoosh006 · May 28, 2014, 08:13 PM

Just be prepared to buy an aftermarket trigger.... the pull on my friends was a staggering 12+ lbs... shooting accuracy groups was kind of a chore. I just kept pulling and pulling and pulling, honestly it was annoying.

Timney and Gieselle currently make some ... for a mere $325 or $350... now I am all for improved triggers.... but the Tavor needs it darn near straight out of the box.

filthy phil · May 28, 2014, 09:19 PM

Look at a nato aug to share your ar mags.
Thats next on my wish list

marine6680 · May 28, 2014, 09:44 PM

I am looking at the AUG too.

The spring in the gas system seems odd to me. Doesn't heat affect springs.

orionengnr · May 28, 2014, 10:26 PM

Quote:

The spring in the gas system seems odd to me. Doesn't heat affect springs.

Depends on the quality of the spring, and the amount of heat. The engine in your car has valve springs that will work for 200,000 miles or more.

marine6680 · May 28, 2014, 10:41 PM

That is true... Ok, I am less concerned.

So which is best, the copy or the Steyr?

ttarp · May 28, 2014, 10:52 PM

The Tavor is nice, my brother owns one, and it is very quick to operate. They put the mag release and bolt release in the optimal positions for speed and ease of operation. I own an AUG, the controls aren't as quick to manipulate as on the Tavor, but both my brother and I find the AUG much more comfortable and natural to shoot. Can't go wrong with either really, but I have no experience with the msar, I remember something about early models having some issues but I think they've all been ironed out by now. As far as the trigger in the Tavor, the simple removal of a redundant spring improves the trigger immensely, don't shy away from a Tavor because of the trigger pull.

Pond, James Pond · May 29, 2014, 01:02 AM

I can't assist in choosing based on experience, only based on desire.

I would love to try one of those, or something like the FN FS2000.

I like bullpups.
I like the look, the ingenuity, the size. But I have never fired one. If you do, I will live vicariously through your range reports!!

So, I can't advise you to get one or not, but I fervently hope that you will!!

jehu · May 29, 2014, 06:25 AM

With the option now of putting a Sig Brace on a AR pistol that's the better choice than a Tavor IMO. For the 308 I would go with a LWRC R.E.P.R. 16", which I have, and is a quality and accurate platform. I also have two M1A's and they are nice but scopeing them is a hassle and I don't like a scout scope setup.

Fishbed77 · May 29, 2014, 03:58 PM

A Tavor would be at the top of my list list for a bullpup if I had the extra cash lying around.

Since I don't, I'm in the process of building a 10.5" AR-15 pistol with a SIG brace (since I have no intention of forking out the money and effort to ask Uncle Sugar for permission to exercise my right to own an SBR).

marine6680 · May 29, 2014, 05:35 PM

I went and fingered a Tavor again today...
I do like how it feels.

But I am torn still... As a premium AR can be had for less. The DD models on hand were nice. If I got one, I could turn my current one into the swappable upper rifle.

Still iffy in the 308... As the AR platform is lighter than the M1A.

Snuffy308 · May 31, 2014, 02:34 AM

I have the Tavor. It's the first bullpup that I actually liked. I put an eotech on it and it mates well with the rifle. It's heavier than it looks and the trigger does take some getting use to but it's a blast to shoot. Once learning the trigger I'm as acurate with it as any AR I have shot. Handles quick and comes up on target well which is an advantage of the design. Most likely the only bullpup I would ever acquire however, being more of a traditionalist.

Snuffy308 · May 31, 2014, 02:40 AM

Oh, one other thing. Mounted the eotech and it is a perfect co-witness with the fold up irons

Departed402 · May 31, 2014, 04:49 AM

I opted not to get a Tavor in my recent quest for a 5.56 rifle. I didn't own any 5.56 rifles, so that helped push me towards an AR-15. My thought process ended up being that an AR-15 would be easier to get parts for, and easier to service if something went wrong. Now that I already have an AR-15, I would probably be more apt to get a different platform since I now own "America's Rifle."

Something else that pushed me away from the Tavor was the fact that I am a lefty. The Tavor can be set up for left-handed shooting, but if I shot it right-handed, or my friends shot it they would be dealing with excess gases and possibly brass to the face. If it ejected brass out the bottom like the KSG or P90, or out the front like the RFB or FN2000 I may have bought the Tavor. It definitely has it's pros (Israeli heritage, proven reliability); however, the gas and brass to the face was something I just didn't want to deal with.

The AR-15 just made a lot more sense for me. Plus the price! A (relatively) high-end AR-15 such as BCM, Colt, or Daniel Defense is about $500 less than a Tavor. I ended up buying a very lightweight DDM4 V5 LW (about 3 pounds lighter than a Tavor).

Darker Loaf · May 31, 2014, 08:15 PM

Please post some pics or describe the build. I'm considering building some type-of pistol monstrosity. I kind of want to make a "lady's gun" out of a Rock River 9mm pistol, 10.5", with magpul FDE plastic furniture, a FDE sig brace, with just irons. I guess that'd weigh a little less than 5 lbs and might make a nice beginner's plinker.

OH, and I wish I had the coin for a Tavor. They seem really put-together.

marine6680 · May 31, 2014, 09:50 PM

They are nice... Still not sure.

We went and got the lady a new shotgun... So I have to go over it and get it ready to go for next weekend.

May 28, 2014, 11:58 AM	#1
marine6680 Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2012 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,594	To Tavor or not to Tavor Well.... That says... Most of it anyway. I think they are interesting, I have seen a few reviews. I have held a few, and while different, they are not too unwieldy. In the end, I want something different than an AR... And utilizes the same round. Same mags is a plus. The options feel a little overwhelming... But that's a good thing. My knowledge base on individual MSR rifles outside of the AR are not where I would like them to be. So a little help is always appreciated. This is in relation to the thread I started in the general rifle section. I am 75% sure on a M1A Scout for a .308, but may change my mind if someone points out something interesting.

May 28, 2014, 12:12 PM	#2
Theohazard Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2012 Location: Western PA Posts: 3,829	Get one! The Tavor is awesome, the only real downside would be if you don't like bullpups. I like the Tavor better than any other bullpup I've tried. Heck, it even has a good trigger (for a bullpup, at least). And I think someone makes an aftermarket trigger for it, too. __________________ 0331: "Accuracy by volume."

May 28, 2014, 12:26 PM	#3
SR420 Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 3,336	If at all possible, you really should try one before you buy one. BTW, the Scout is an excellent choice. __________________ The History and Development of the M14 EBR

May 28, 2014, 01:10 PM	#5
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	if you're sure about about an M1a, then I would get that. it would be more useful for more applications. the tavor is a fun little toy and useful if the US is ever invaded and the US military drops the ball but it's not a hunting rig. it's not a good target rig or particularly useful at long ranges. that is where the M1A shines. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

May 28, 2014, 01:20 PM	#6
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 1,031	After seeing a Tavor and an AUG side by side, and actually getting a feel for them (i couldn't shoot them), I'd choose the AUG all day. It's now my favorite bullpup. It's sleek, slim, more ergonomic to me, and has the quick detach barrel for easy cleaning and storage. The trigger felt nicer than the Tavor too. You can even get one that takes AR mags. __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown

May 28, 2014, 01:49 PM	#7
marine6680 Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2012 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,594	Its not a question of which... M1A or Tavor... I'm getting a .308 semi of some kind... And maybe a Tavor... Or and something else. Next step is to choose a bolt gun as well.

May 28, 2014, 04:36 PM	#8
leadcounsel Junior member Join Date: September 8, 2005 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 2,119	In general, I love bullpups for their efficiency. I own an MSAR, and love it. It did have a $1400 price tag. The Tavor is even more. They are great IF you're an entry team, or a mech/mobile assault team. For the home owner on a budget, it's probably not practical. For a gun enthusiast where money is no object. Get it. (I don't have nor ever fired a Tavor, but did inspect one).

May 28, 2014, 04:47 PM	#9
marine6680 Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2012 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,594	It a pure fun toy if I get it... which is most of my guns anyway. I don't hunt so no need for that.

May 28, 2014, 07:05 PM	#10
marine6680 Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2012 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,594	I seen a complaint of gas in the face when firing... anyone else have this issue?

May 28, 2014, 08:13 PM	#11
bfoosh006 Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2009 Posts: 1,089	Just be prepared to buy an aftermarket trigger.... the pull on my friends was a staggering 12+ lbs... shooting accuracy groups was kind of a chore. I just kept pulling and pulling and pulling, honestly it was annoying. Timney and Gieselle currently make some ... for a mere $325 or $350... now I am all for improved triggers.... but the Tavor needs it darn near straight out of the box.

May 28, 2014, 09:19 PM	#12
filthy phil Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2013 Location: Tomball Tejas Posts: 105	Look at a nato aug to share your ar mags. Thats next on my wish list __________________ glocks gen4 :21, gen 3 17tb, 19, 30s (×2) , sig tacpac 1911, colt 6920(x2), cia underfolder ak, npap underfolder

May 28, 2014, 09:44 PM	#13
marine6680 Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2012 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,594	I am looking at the AUG too. The spring in the gas system seems odd to me. Doesn't heat affect springs.

May 28, 2014, 10:41 PM	#15
marine6680 Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2012 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,594	That is true... Ok, I am less concerned. So which is best, the copy or the Steyr?

May 28, 2014, 10:52 PM	#16
ttarp Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2013 Posts: 888	The Tavor is nice, my brother owns one, and it is very quick to operate. They put the mag release and bolt release in the optimal positions for speed and ease of operation. I own an AUG, the controls aren't as quick to manipulate as on the Tavor, but both my brother and I find the AUG much more comfortable and natural to shoot. Can't go wrong with either really, but I have no experience with the msar, I remember something about early models having some issues but I think they've all been ironed out by now. As far as the trigger in the Tavor, the simple removal of a redundant spring improves the trigger immensely, don't shy away from a Tavor because of the trigger pull.

May 29, 2014, 01:02 AM	#17
Pond, James Pond Senior Member Join Date: July 12, 2011 Location: Top of the Baltic stack Posts: 6,079	I can't assist in choosing based on experience, only based on desire. I would love to try one of those, or something like the FN FS2000. I like bullpups. I like the look, the ingenuity, the size. But I have never fired one. If you do, I will live vicariously through your range reports!! So, I can't advise you to get one or not, but I fervently hope that you will!! __________________ When the right to effective self-defence is denied, that right to self-defence which remains is essentially symbolic. Freedom: Please enjoy responsibly.

May 29, 2014, 06:25 AM	#18
jehu Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2005 Posts: 433	With the option now of putting a Sig Brace on a AR pistol that's the better choice than a Tavor IMO. For the 308 I would go with a LWRC R.E.P.R. 16", which I have, and is a quality and accurate platform. I also have two M1A's and they are nice but scopeing them is a hassle and I don't like a scout scope setup.

May 29, 2014, 03:58 PM	#19
Fishbed77 Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2010 Posts: 4,862	A Tavor would be at the top of my list list for a bullpup if I had the extra cash lying around. Since I don't, I'm in the process of building a 10.5" AR-15 pistol with a SIG brace (since I have no intention of forking out the money and effort to ask Uncle Sugar for permission to exercise my right to own an SBR).

May 29, 2014, 05:35 PM	#20
marine6680 Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2012 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,594	I went and fingered a Tavor again today... I do like how it feels. But I am torn still... As a premium AR can be had for less. The DD models on hand were nice. If I got one, I could turn my current one into the swappable upper rifle. Still iffy in the 308... As the AR platform is lighter than the M1A.

May 31, 2014, 02:34 AM	#21
Snuffy308 Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2005 Posts: 220	I have the Tavor. It's the first bullpup that I actually liked. I put an eotech on it and it mates well with the rifle. It's heavier than it looks and the trigger does take some getting use to but it's a blast to shoot. Once learning the trigger I'm as acurate with it as any AR I have shot. Handles quick and comes up on target well which is an advantage of the design. Most likely the only bullpup I would ever acquire however, being more of a traditionalist.

May 31, 2014, 02:40 AM	#22
Snuffy308 Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2005 Posts: 220	Oh, one other thing. Mounted the eotech and it is a perfect co-witness with the fold up irons

May 31, 2014, 04:49 AM	#23
Departed402 Senior Member Join Date: September 25, 2009 Location: Midwest Posts: 884	I opted not to get a Tavor in my recent quest for a 5.56 rifle. I didn't own any 5.56 rifles, so that helped push me towards an AR-15. My thought process ended up being that an AR-15 would be easier to get parts for, and easier to service if something went wrong. Now that I already have an AR-15, I would probably be more apt to get a different platform since I now own "America's Rifle." Something else that pushed me away from the Tavor was the fact that I am a lefty. The Tavor can be set up for left-handed shooting, but if I shot it right-handed, or my friends shot it they would be dealing with excess gases and possibly brass to the face. If it ejected brass out the bottom like the KSG or P90, or out the front like the RFB or FN2000 I may have bought the Tavor. It definitely has it's pros (Israeli heritage, proven reliability); however, the gas and brass to the face was something I just didn't want to deal with. The AR-15 just made a lot more sense for me. Plus the price! A (relatively) high-end AR-15 such as BCM, Colt, or Daniel Defense is about $500 less than a Tavor. I ended up buying a very lightweight DDM4 V5 LW (about 3 pounds lighter than a Tavor). __________________ Slow is Smooth. Smooth is Fast.

May 31, 2014, 08:15 PM	#24
Darker Loaf Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2012 Posts: 715	RE Fishbed77 Please post some pics or describe the build. I'm considering building some type-of pistol monstrosity. I kind of want to make a "lady's gun" out of a Rock River 9mm pistol, 10.5", with magpul FDE plastic furniture, a FDE sig brace, with just irons. I guess that'd weigh a little less than 5 lbs and might make a nice beginner's plinker. OH, and I wish I had the coin for a Tavor. They seem really put-together.

May 31, 2014, 09:50 PM	#25
marine6680 Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2012 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,594	They are nice... Still not sure. We went and got the lady a new shotgun... So I have to go over it and get it ready to go for next weekend.