9.3 x 62mm Mauser - Page 2

jmr40 · May 29, 2013, 11:10 PM

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It is ~.37 cal, similar in performance to the .375 H&H Mag.

It is roughly .36 cal, but no where near 375 H&H perfomance. The caliber is similar, but the 375 shoots the same bullet weights 400 fps faster. In many African countries it is legal for hunting only because it meets the minimum caliber requirement. Not something I'd want to be shooting dangerous game with even if it were legal. Certainly not a stopper round. If you are a fan of heavy slow bullets it is a good round for larger non-dangerous game.

The 9.3X62 is just a 30-06 case necked up to .366 caliber. Just like the similar 35 Whelen, and 338-06. While it is larger in diameter and shoots heavy bullets, case capacity does not allow for much speed. In fact the 9.3, 338-06 and 35 Whelen all are only slightly better, if any, than a 30-06 if loaded with heavy 220+ gr bullets.

Scorch · May 30, 2013, 11:04 AM

9,3X62 and 35 Whelen are nearly the same cartridge, with just a slight difference in bore diameter and the accompanying weight increase of the bullets. Fans (and other people who should know better) go on and on about the 9,3X62 and 35 Whelen being "nearly as powerful as a 375 H&H", when a quick glance at the ballistics table will show them to be mistaken. Comparing a 250 gr bullet at 2,400 fps (3,200 ft-lbs KE) or a 290 gr bullet at 2,300 fps (3,400 ft-lbs KE) to a 300 gr bullet at 2,500 fps (4,200 ft-lbs KE) and calling them "nearly matching" is a bit of a stretch. That is 30% more energy for the 375 H&H, just in case you were wondering. So, while either the 9.3X62 or the 35 Whelen would make a great North American game stopper, they do not compare to the quintessential African plains medium bore rifle.

Jimro · May 30, 2013, 03:40 PM

Scorch,

It is true that modern loads in the 375 H&H have upped the velocity, and using a modern 300gr bullet at over 2,600 fps illustrates your point. However that is not the ballistic arena in which the 9.3x62 "made it's bones" so to speak. It used to be the 375 H&H shot a 300 gr bullet at 2,400 fps and a 270gr bullet at 2,600 fps. Modern loads have abandoned the cordite and bumped up the resultant velocities a bit, although the old ballistics will kill animals just as dead.

But really, what is the difference of a .366 293gr bullet at 2,428 fps (3,842 ft/lbs) and a .375 300gr bullet at 2,400 fps (3837 ft/lbs) such as this load from Federal http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/6-0304918 ?

Not that many of us will ever get to put cross hairs on on elephant or lion, but it is definitely something fun to think about.

Jimro

James K · May 31, 2013, 01:59 PM

If a "sporterized" Mauser 98 or K.98k has the original military stock, it already has a crossbolt. And if it has the laminated stock, it will stand up to a whole lot more in the way of recoil than the 9.3x62 will throw at it.

Jim

csmsss · May 31, 2013, 02:49 PM

And no one's even mentioned the .338 Win Mag and .340 Wby Mag and .378 Wby Mags yet...there are lots and lots and lots of choices in this arena.

Scrumbag · May 31, 2013, 03:04 PM

I would say the closest in North America is .338-06.

I love my 9.3x62, favourite pig rifle, FN Commercial '98 action, express sights regulated at 50m with 285gr soft points.

Scrummy

Jack O'Conner · June 7, 2013, 03:32 PM

I had a custom Browning in this chambering for a time but traded it off. Recoil is very noticeable but was tamed with a LimbSaver pad and MagnaPorting at the muzzle. Ballistically speaking, the 35 Whelen is close.

Jack

Husqvarna · June 7, 2013, 04:30 PM

I really would like the browning blr chambered in 9,3x62

perfect combo IMO

black mamba · June 8, 2013, 08:13 AM

Husky, put me down for another one!

kilimanjaro · June 8, 2013, 11:31 AM

Note to Browning, Inc. : You have three sales so far, get busy !

TX Hunter · June 8, 2013, 12:12 PM

This thread reminds me of the beautiful 9.3X57 Husqvarna Mauser I passed up a few years ago. I was so foolish all I had to do was neck 8x57 Mauser to 9.3 and I would have had my own amunition and this beautiful Rifle. Still bothers me to this day.

mapsjanhere · June 9, 2013, 06:45 PM

BTW the 9.3 equivalent of the 375 H&H is the 9.3x64 Brenneke. It was so successful that some British colonies specifically demanded 375 minimum diameters to ensure the 366 competition from Germany was shut out. One of theses days I need to whip up some ammo for mine, it's nearly unavailable in the US as Fiocchi (the RWS importer) doesn't carry that specific caliber here.

ryanc.ross · December 30, 2013, 10:09 AM

Been looking for a Husqvarna in that caliber.

Ryan

mete · December 30, 2013, 10:26 AM

In Europe various semi-autos are chambered in 9.3x62 . Browning and others but they may be hard to get here.

Scrumbag · December 30, 2013, 03:59 PM

Browning BAR and Benelli R1 spring to mind. Also perhaps the H&K sporting semi auto...

mete · December 30, 2013, 08:26 PM

The H&K 2000 had it too but I don't know if it ever came here or whether it's still available. There were some other s , anyone know which ??

Husqvarna · December 31, 2013, 02:16 PM

The sauer 303 to.

And the straight pulls to, blaser r93 and r8, very accurate switch barrel rigs to!

Merkel helix, browning maral are other Great straight pulls,

May 30, 2013, 11:04 AM	#27
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	9,3X62 and 35 Whelen are nearly the same cartridge, with just a slight difference in bore diameter and the accompanying weight increase of the bullets. Fans (and other people who should know better) go on and on about the 9,3X62 and 35 Whelen being "nearly as powerful as a 375 H&H", when a quick glance at the ballistics table will show them to be mistaken. Comparing a 250 gr bullet at 2,400 fps (3,200 ft-lbs KE) or a 290 gr bullet at 2,300 fps (3,400 ft-lbs KE) to a 300 gr bullet at 2,500 fps (4,200 ft-lbs KE) and calling them "nearly matching" is a bit of a stretch. That is 30% more energy for the 375 H&H, just in case you were wondering. So, while either the 9.3X62 or the 35 Whelen would make a great North American game stopper, they do not compare to the quintessential African plains medium bore rifle. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

May 30, 2013, 03:40 PM	#28
Jimro Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2006 Posts: 7,097	Scorch, It is true that modern loads in the 375 H&H have upped the velocity, and using a modern 300gr bullet at over 2,600 fps illustrates your point. However that is not the ballistic arena in which the 9.3x62 "made it's bones" so to speak. It used to be the 375 H&H shot a 300 gr bullet at 2,400 fps and a 270gr bullet at 2,600 fps. Modern loads have abandoned the cordite and bumped up the resultant velocities a bit, although the old ballistics will kill animals just as dead. But really, what is the difference of a .366 293gr bullet at 2,428 fps (3,842 ft/lbs) and a .375 300gr bullet at 2,400 fps (3837 ft/lbs) such as this load from Federal http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/6-0304918 ? Not that many of us will ever get to put cross hairs on on elephant or lion, but it is definitely something fun to think about. Jimro __________________ Machine guns are awesome until you have to carry one.

June 7, 2013, 03:32 PM	#32
Jack O'Conner Senior Member Join Date: July 11, 2005 Location: Manatee County, Florida Posts: 1,976	I had a custom Browning in this chambering for a time but traded it off. Recoil is very noticeable but was tamed with a LimbSaver pad and MagnaPorting at the muzzle. Ballistically speaking, the 35 Whelen is close. Jack __________________ Fire up the grill! Deer hunting IS NOT catch and release.

June 9, 2013, 06:45 PM	#37
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,832	BTW the 9.3 equivalent of the 375 H&H is the 9.3x64 Brenneke. It was so successful that some British colonies specifically demanded 375 minimum diameters to ensure the 366 competition from Germany was shut out. One of theses days I need to whip up some ammo for mine, it's nearly unavailable in the US as Fiocchi (the RWS importer) doesn't carry that specific caliber here. __________________ I used to love being able to hit hard at 1000 yards. As I get older I find hitting a mini ram at 200 yards with the 22 oddly more satisfying.

December 30, 2013, 10:09 AM	#38
ryanc.ross Junior Member Join Date: June 19, 2009 Posts: 1	Anyone know where I can find one??? Been looking for a Husqvarna in that caliber. Ryan

May 31, 2013, 01:59 PM	#29
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	If a "sporterized" Mauser 98 or K.98k has the original military stock, it already has a crossbolt. And if it has the laminated stock, it will stand up to a whole lot more in the way of recoil than the 9.3x62 will throw at it. Jim

May 31, 2013, 02:49 PM	#30
csmsss Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 3,078	And no one's even mentioned the .338 Win Mag and .340 Wby Mag and .378 Wby Mags yet...there are lots and lots and lots of choices in this arena.

May 31, 2013, 03:04 PM	#31
Scrumbag Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2012 Posts: 173	I would say the closest in North America is .338-06. I love my 9.3x62, favourite pig rifle, FN Commercial '98 action, express sights regulated at 50m with 285gr soft points. Scrummy

June 7, 2013, 04:30 PM	#33
Husqvarna Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,000	I really would like the browning blr chambered in 9,3x62 perfect combo IMO

June 8, 2013, 08:13 AM	#34
black mamba Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2011 Location: SW Florida Posts: 890	Husky, put me down for another one!

June 8, 2013, 11:31 AM	#35
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	Note to Browning, Inc. : You have three sales so far, get busy !

June 8, 2013, 12:12 PM	#36
TX Hunter Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2010 Location: East Texas USA Posts: 1,805	This thread reminds me of the beautiful 9.3X57 Husqvarna Mauser I passed up a few years ago. I was so foolish all I had to do was neck 8x57 Mauser to 9.3 and I would have had my own amunition and this beautiful Rifle. Still bothers me to this day.

December 30, 2013, 10:26 AM	#39
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	In Europe various semi-autos are chambered in 9.3x62 . Browning and others but they may be hard to get here. __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

December 30, 2013, 03:59 PM	#40
Scrumbag Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2012 Posts: 173	Browning BAR and Benelli R1 spring to mind. Also perhaps the H&K sporting semi auto...

December 30, 2013, 08:26 PM	#41
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	The H&K 2000 had it too but I don't know if it ever came here or whether it's still available. There were some other s , anyone know which ?? __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

December 31, 2013, 02:16 PM	#42
Husqvarna Senior Member Join Date: May 7, 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,000	The sauer 303 to. And the straight pulls to, blaser r93 and r8, very accurate switch barrel rigs to! Merkel helix, browning maral are other Great straight pulls,