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May 4, 2015, 10:25 AM | #1 |
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Just some food for thought. I was at a local business(nuts and bolts) and not having what I needed I mentioned Grainger. Seems that Grainger nation wide is now NO FIREARMS Allowed on their property. I just want to put this out there for those folks who use/buy from Grainger. They certainly will not get any money from me.
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May 4, 2015, 10:28 AM | #2 |
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Did you verify this information or are you staging a boycott based on a competitor counter person's comments?
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May 4, 2015, 10:38 AM | #3 |
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When one searches for "Grainger nation wide is now NO FIREARMS Allowed on their property", the only hit is this thread.
It's my understanding that a business cannot stop the public from having a gun "on their property" if they have a parking lot, but can in some states not allow them inside the stores
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My workplace does not allow ME to carry on the property - while on the clock. Many don't. That is more important to a larger degree because a violation of that policy, even with a gun locked in the trunk of the car, can result in immediate unemployment.
Does YOUR employer require that? MOST corporate policies are like that. The Customer is usually limited by whatever state law is in place - or the company posts a "No Guns" sign because the insurance demands it. Nothing to do with what the company owners or stockholders feel about it. I get open carry customers in the door all the time. But - because I am an employee - I will never open carry there because of "company policy." Pick and choose how you intend to practice it. I may not choose to frequent a business because of their policy, but it do it based on verifiable reports that the company owners are anti gun. I check on line with gun rights sources to find out what the real facts are and certainly don't take the word of someone I've casually met who works at a competitor's counter. A sign in the window isn't indicative of a political bias against guns, and may not even be a legal sign. You have to research your local laws and be informed as a carrier. |
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All of the Graingers I have seen in Illinois have the compliant (meaning they carry the force of law) "no guns" signs.
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Even in those (few) states that protect employees' right to have a gun in the vehicle, I don't know if the law would cover customers or visitors. It would depend on the exact wording of the law. |
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They've never said anything to me about it.
Of course I know that concealed means concealed, and see no reason to run through their store singing, "I've got a gun, I've got a gun."
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Private business can restrict whatever they wish.
I'm sure that anyone would be uneasy letting random strangers waltz around your living room with a loaded gun. Doesn't even have to be a corporate rule... Could be the local managers wishes. I'm sure that if you concealed it, it wouldn't be an issue anyway. I only comply to carry laws. If I'm not committing a crime, why worry
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A lot of companies have no-gun signs posted. I often shop elsewhere if at all practical. And yeah, we ought to verify whether this is corporate or local store policy. IF up to the local manager, you might have influence on him, even if he is an anti-. A locally owned hardware store near one of my comm sites was posted. I really need the part that day, but I spoke with the owner. I explained the illogic in posting, as crack-heads looking for a buck or a ticked-off customer neither care about that silly sign if they are there to cause harm. It only tells them that it is a kill-free zone and that we law-abiding citizens won't be able to defend ourselves. In a tight economy where he is competing against Home Depot and Lowes and folks like myself will opt to go there where I CAN defend myself, it's not smart idea to post against gun-owners
He sort of shrugged it off, but a month or so later, the sign was gone. He thought about it, I'm sure. A LOT of private owners will to if given a reasonable argument how silly those signs are. Still not sure about Grainger. May swing by there in the next few days and see if it is posted. If so, maybe ask the manager if it is company policy or of his own choosing.
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I've never seen any such signs in a parking lot
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It's all a convoluted mix of laws, conflicting laws ect....
You have a loosely based right to carry depending on this woven web of laws. Yes we all agree here that the second guarantees the right to bear arms... For a few yes, but for many it's a no.... Nowhere does your right trump the rights of the private property owner, or that of the person in place to steward such property. I will support any private property owner or enterprise in its wishes in this still free country.... The best thing you can do at these stores is to comply with their wishes, or carry discretely. The constitution only governs what is allowed to the federal government. The constitution does not grant you the rights to do as you wish on someone else's PRIVATE Property
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"I'm sure that anyone would be uneasy letting random strangers waltz around your living room with a loaded gun."
If they have a CCW, no I don't have an issue with that at all.
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So I guess we can just force our wishes onto private entities because they feel differently than us.
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It it really "private property" when you let anyone walk in off the street? If they don't want guns in the parking lot, they should be required to post billboard sized notices that can be seen from the streets
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Snyper, you refer to a link about 22 states limiting property owners' ability be ban firearms in vehicles on their lots. This is from that link:
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There's no signs prohibiting lots of activities.
You should respect others wishes, even if you don't like it. Or you can engage in your activity discretely. Every one demands their gun rights as they interpret them. Others should be allowed theirs as well. Because you like guns, you can't force private parties to like them. Some states have made it necessary to post signs.... That's good. Others don't. If someone doesn't want a gun on their property, it is their right...
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If you don't agree with thier policies, and don't want to do business with them, then I say, go for it, but sooner or later, you are going to run out of placed to spend your money
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As for disallowing guns on private property open to the public, IN OHIO the law is clear and the property owner only needs to post the no guns signs at the entrance to the building, and at the entrance to his PARKING LOT if he chooses. My employer does it, but most businesses dealing with the public walking in are not stupid enough to tell gunowners they need to park down the street if they want to do business there, which would assure them of losing the business, even if they were willing to disarm before entering. It carries penalty of law for non-compliance. |
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At Calguns, I have reports of three distinct California Grainger locations with the no-guns stickers on the entry doors. (In CA, such signs in themselves have no legal force or consequences.)
Poking around the Grainger web site I am unable to find a link that includes such a policy statement.
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Every shopping mall I've ever been in has had a sign near the main entrances prohibiting the carry of weapons. It's usually about the sixth or seventh item on a list of prohibited activities, and it's usually on a small sign in fine print that most people won't even notice as they walk in -- but in my state there is no "official" sign size or language, so it's a legal sign. How about restaurants (and some stores) that have signs on the front door reading, "No shirt, no shoes / No service"? |
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Some news relevant to this thread. A poster at Illinois Carry has been communicating with Grainger about this issue, and apparently his efforts have paid off in a big way! Previously they had a "no guns" policy, that has now changed. From a letter he received:
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