Head Shots - Page 4

sqShane · May 21, 2008, 09:03 AM

I'm surprised to see the diversity of opinions on this question, and I wonder if it's because some people are implicitly assuming something like the following:

(1) the BG has taken a hostage and presumably wants you to either surrender your weapon or to leave the premises with the hostage; and (2) no one has called law enforcement so there is no calvary coming to help.

So, I'm curious, with those assumptions, would many of you either surrender your weapon and/or let the BG leave the premises with the hostage instead of taking the shot?

Double Naught Spy · May 21, 2008, 09:13 AM

If you surrender your weapon, the bad guy now has two hostages, and a choice of which to keep, if he so desires.

As for the calvary, even if 911 is called, you are still looking at something like 4-15 minutes average response time for most major municipalities. For example, Dallas was proud that they had dropped below 9 minutes from double digits for top priority calls, even though they are still above 10 for some areas. http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/spe/...as/crime2.html

Scattergun Bob · May 21, 2008, 09:24 PM

The thing I don't like about addons to threads is that it changes the complexion of the problem. In a way it emulates real life events, nothing ever stays vanilla for long.

There is one Shotgun Sure thing here, NEVER EVER surrender your weapon. NO, you don't understand [B]NEVER EVER[B] surrender your weapon, it will cost you your life! Now do you understand.

Do I let the BG move the hostage to a secondary location? If I am the hostage the answer is hell no. If I am the shooter, I guess I'll cop out and say give me more details.

Coop de Ville · June 11, 2008, 10:30 PM

I was in a similar situation. We did not take the shot...

Everything turned out fine.

I could have taken the shot... and everything would have turned out fine.

Did I F#$k up because I let the situation dictate?... Even though everything turned out ok?

Which would be harder to live with?

Not taking the shot and the hostage is killed or taking the shot and the hostage is killed?

-Coop

Ridge_Runner_5 · June 12, 2008, 11:37 AM

I say shoot the arm holding the weapon...sever the muscles and they wont be able to pull the trigger. Aim for the muscles on the inside of the elbow...

Boris Bush · June 12, 2008, 12:04 PM

Ridge_Runner_5

Are you serious? Doing that with a handgun is going to be a lucky thing. Even practice on a static range doing that is going to be tough.

I have only used a rifle in real life shootings and a COM hit is hard enough to do when your target is moving from cover to cover, hidden, and most importantly shooting at you aswell...

Get some training and go buy some self defense shooting tutorial books. Keyboard comandory thoughts like that will get you killed if you try that stuff...........

Bob Lee Swagger · June 26, 2008, 07:21 PM

Sharpshooter Basics is good. CQB Mastery helps, as does the Counter-Terrorist class (reduces cover granted by human shields)

May 21, 2008, 09:03 AM	#76
sqShane Junior Member Join Date: May 12, 2008 Posts: 5	I'm surprised to see the diversity of opinions on this question, and I wonder if it's because some people are implicitly assuming something like the following: (1) the BG has taken a hostage and presumably wants you to either surrender your weapon or to leave the premises with the hostage; and (2) no one has called law enforcement so there is no calvary coming to help. So, I'm curious, with those assumptions, would many of you either surrender your weapon and/or let the BG leave the premises with the hostage instead of taking the shot? Last edited by sqShane; May 21, 2008 at 10:07 AM.

May 21, 2008, 09:13 AM	#77
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,716	If you surrender your weapon, the bad guy now has two hostages, and a choice of which to keep, if he so desires. As for the calvary, even if 911 is called, you are still looking at something like 4-15 minutes average response time for most major municipalities. For example, Dallas was proud that they had dropped below 9 minutes from double digits for top priority calls, even though they are still above 10 for some areas. http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/spe/...as/crime2.html __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

May 21, 2008, 09:24 PM	#78
Scattergun Bob Senior Member Join Date: February 29, 2008 Location: Nine Mile Falls, Washington Posts: 1,186	sqShane The thing I don't like about addons to threads is that it changes the complexion of the problem. In a way it emulates real life events, nothing ever stays vanilla for long. There is one Shotgun Sure thing here, NEVER EVER surrender your weapon. NO, you don't understand [B]NEVER EVER[B] surrender your weapon, it will cost you your life! Now do you understand. Do I let the BG move the hostage to a secondary location? If I am the hostage the answer is hell no. If I am the shooter, I guess I'll cop out and say give me more details. __________________ First, with the most, WINS! Regards, Scattergun Bob

June 11, 2008, 10:30 PM	#79
Coop de Ville Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2000 Posts: 436	I was in a similar situation. We did not take the shot... Everything turned out fine. I could have taken the shot... and everything would have turned out fine. Did I F#$k up because I let the situation dictate?... Even though everything turned out ok? Which would be harder to live with? Not taking the shot and the hostage is killed or taking the shot and the hostage is killed? -Coop __________________ "If chance be the father of all flesh, disaster is his rainbow in the sky. And when you hear a 'state of emergencies, sniper kills ten, troops on rampage, whites go looting, bomb blasts school,' it is but the sound of man , worshipping his maker." - S. Turner

June 26, 2008, 07:21 PM	#82
Bob Lee Swagger Member Join Date: March 10, 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 49	Sharpshooter Basics is good. CQB Mastery helps, as does the Counter-Terrorist class (reduces cover granted by human shields) __________________ Expect the things you'd never expect.

June 12, 2008, 11:37 AM	#80
Ridge_Runner_5 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,925	I say shoot the arm holding the weapon...sever the muscles and they wont be able to pull the trigger. Aim for the muscles on the inside of the elbow...

June 12, 2008, 12:04 PM	#81
Boris Bush Junior member Join Date: September 7, 2007 Posts: 921	Ridge_Runner_5 Are you serious? Doing that with a handgun is going to be a lucky thing. Even practice on a static range doing that is going to be tough. I have only used a rifle in real life shootings and a COM hit is hard enough to do when your target is moving from cover to cover, hidden, and most importantly shooting at you aswell... Get some training and go buy some self defense shooting tutorial books. Keyboard comandory thoughts like that will get you killed if you try that stuff...........

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